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Suicide
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RE: Suicide
(December 16, 2014 at 9:30 pm)Drich Wrote: Imagine a mother and father that has done everything they could to keep their kid from drugs and bad influences. Up roots the family to a better school/neighborhood, find suitable after school programs, tutors, and the like.. Then the kid turns 16 finds a BF who is into drugs and runs cross country with him...

That's falsely equivocating. To make the child older is to put humans and God on the same level. Compared to your God, we have the intelligence and capabilities of an infant or small toddler.

Quote:Imagine a mother who runs out into the road to save her child, pushes the child to safety, while she takes the hit, then imagine the ungrateful turning right around and running back into the road.

Like I said, kids do crazy and irrational things sometimes. That would still change nothing for me. My father hates me. He has been pretty awful to me over the course of my life and has shut me out because of our differences, but in spite of all the anger and hurt I feel towards him, I still love him and want nothing but the best for him. Why can't God be like me? Am I wrong to not reciprocate his behavior?

Quote:In either situation is a parent of either of these children expected to go the extra mile and put themselves in harms way again and again?

I would, absolutely. I would sacrifice my life for my child, without question or complaint, and I would never put my child in debt as a result of it. It's my kid.

Quote:Now imagine the same parents same situation, but someone else's child... A child who hates the parents and wishes I'll on the parents of the children we are speaking of.

For this metaphor to work, you have to admit that God is not my creator.

I would like to think that I would risk my life to save anybody from imminent danger. That, to me, represents optimal goodness, a standard to which I should strive to achieve. I would do it to save your life, or GC's life, or Waldorf's life. I would do it to save just about anybody, or at least, I hope I would have that courage to act according to my convictions when it really mattered. I would never intentionally stand by and refuse to save anybody just because they didn't like me. As far as I'm concerned, you can't get much more evil than that.

Quote:which is second to Love your Lord God with all your being. One can not hold to one and ignore the other greatest command, and still expect to be in God's Grace.
That answer is not relevant to the question.

If God is the ultimate standard of goodness, why does he expect us to treat our enemies better than he treats his? That sounds paradoxical; we are expected to literally be better than perfect.

Quote:So if a dozen hard core ISIS members wanted you and your family to put them up for a couple of months you'd be good with that?

Why is it that whenever I ask why God can't or doesn't do something, instead of answering the question, you ask why I can't or don't? Am I on God's level, with God's capabilities? Should as much be expected of me as of a being far more capable than myself?

You always love to say that you are happy to answer questions about your God, but you sure aren't answering any of mine. Can it be that you are afraid of what the answers imply?
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Suicide - by IATIA - December 14, 2014 at 10:40 am
RE: Suicide - by robvalue - December 14, 2014 at 10:42 am
RE: Suicide - by IATIA - December 14, 2014 at 10:44 am
RE: Suicide - by robvalue - December 14, 2014 at 10:45 am
RE: Suicide - by Drich - December 14, 2014 at 11:03 am
RE: Suicide - by The Valkyrie - December 14, 2014 at 8:03 pm
RE: Suicide - by IATIA - December 14, 2014 at 8:17 pm
RE: Suicide - by Ryantology - December 14, 2014 at 8:12 pm
RE: Suicide - by Drich - December 14, 2014 at 11:54 pm
RE: Suicide - by dyresand - December 14, 2014 at 11:56 pm
RE: Suicide - by Ryantology - December 15, 2014 at 2:59 am
RE: Suicide - by Drich - December 16, 2014 at 9:30 pm
RE: Suicide - by Ryantology - December 16, 2014 at 10:26 pm
RE: Suicide - by Drich - December 16, 2014 at 11:48 pm
RE: Suicide - by IATIA - December 17, 2014 at 12:09 am
RE: Suicide - by Drich - December 17, 2014 at 12:24 am
RE: Suicide - by IATIA - December 17, 2014 at 12:13 pm
RE: Suicide - by Drich - December 18, 2014 at 12:01 am
RE: Suicide - by IATIA - December 18, 2014 at 12:45 am
RE: Suicide - by Drich - December 18, 2014 at 12:55 am
RE: Suicide - by IATIA - December 18, 2014 at 2:07 am
RE: Suicide - by Angrboda - December 18, 2014 at 12:45 pm
RE: Suicide - by Ryantology - December 17, 2014 at 12:32 am
RE: Suicide - by Drich - December 17, 2014 at 3:08 am
RE: Suicide - by IATIA - December 16, 2014 at 10:50 pm
RE: Suicide - by dyresand - December 16, 2014 at 11:08 pm
RE: Suicide - by Tonus - December 17, 2014 at 6:25 am
RE: Suicide - by Angrboda - December 17, 2014 at 4:29 pm
RE: Suicide - by paulpablo - December 17, 2014 at 12:18 am
RE: Suicide - by IATIA - December 14, 2014 at 11:08 am
RE: Suicide - by Drich - December 14, 2014 at 11:17 am
RE: Suicide - by Thumpalumpacus - December 14, 2014 at 10:09 pm
RE: Suicide - by dyresand - December 14, 2014 at 10:21 pm
RE: Suicide - by robvalue - December 14, 2014 at 11:09 am
RE: Suicide - by Tonus - December 14, 2014 at 11:19 am
RE: Suicide - by IATIA - December 14, 2014 at 11:19 am
RE: Suicide - by Drich - December 14, 2014 at 11:43 am
RE: Suicide - by Aoi Magi - December 14, 2014 at 11:44 am
RE: Suicide - by robvalue - December 14, 2014 at 11:45 am
RE: Suicide - by Drich - December 14, 2014 at 11:45 am
RE: Suicide - by Cyberman - December 14, 2014 at 12:19 pm
RE: Suicide - by IATIA - December 14, 2014 at 12:15 pm
RE: Suicide - by robvalue - December 14, 2014 at 12:21 pm
RE: Suicide - by Kitty Galore - December 15, 2014 at 10:42 pm
RE: Suicide - by robvalue - December 16, 2014 at 1:38 am
RE: Suicide - by Brakeman - December 14, 2014 at 12:23 pm
RE: Suicide - by robvalue - December 14, 2014 at 12:24 pm
RE: Suicide - by Godschild - December 14, 2014 at 7:50 pm
RE: Suicide - by Cyberman - December 14, 2014 at 7:56 pm
RE: Suicide - by Drich - December 14, 2014 at 8:00 pm
RE: Suicide - by Tonus - December 15, 2014 at 6:32 am
RE: Suicide - by Drich - December 15, 2014 at 10:18 pm
RE: Suicide - by Thumpalumpacus - December 15, 2014 at 10:25 pm
RE: Suicide - by Drich - December 16, 2014 at 10:19 am
RE: Suicide - by Thumpalumpacus - December 16, 2014 at 11:26 am
RE: Suicide - by KevinM1 - December 16, 2014 at 1:34 pm
RE: Suicide - by Brakeman - December 16, 2014 at 1:38 pm
RE: Suicide - by Drich - December 16, 2014 at 9:10 pm
RE: Suicide - by IATIA - December 16, 2014 at 9:15 pm
RE: Suicide - by Brakeman - December 15, 2014 at 10:30 pm
RE: Suicide - by Tonus - December 16, 2014 at 6:24 am
RE: Suicide - by Drich - December 16, 2014 at 8:44 pm
RE: Suicide - by Tonus - December 16, 2014 at 9:28 pm
RE: Suicide - by Cyberman - December 14, 2014 at 8:01 pm
RE: Suicide - by Drich - December 14, 2014 at 8:10 pm
RE: Suicide - by Cyberman - December 14, 2014 at 8:15 pm
RE: Suicide - by The Valkyrie - December 14, 2014 at 8:15 pm
RE: Suicide - by Drich - December 15, 2014 at 12:13 am
RE: Suicide - by Brakeman - December 15, 2014 at 8:23 am
RE: Suicide - by Drich - December 15, 2014 at 10:45 pm
RE: Suicide - by IATIA - December 15, 2014 at 10:50 pm
RE: Suicide - by Brakeman - December 15, 2014 at 11:16 pm
RE: Suicide - by Brakeman - December 14, 2014 at 9:57 pm
RE: Suicide - by dyresand - December 14, 2014 at 10:04 pm
RE: Suicide - by dyresand - December 14, 2014 at 9:12 pm
RE: Suicide - by IATIA - December 14, 2014 at 10:07 pm
RE: Suicide - by Cyberman - December 15, 2014 at 4:01 am
RE: Suicide - by robvalue - December 15, 2014 at 6:49 am
RE: Suicide - by abaris - December 15, 2014 at 7:40 am
RE: Suicide - by robvalue - December 15, 2014 at 7:42 am
RE: Suicide - by robvalue - December 15, 2014 at 8:54 am
RE: Suicide - by KevinM1 - December 15, 2014 at 3:19 pm
RE: Suicide - by Ryantology - December 16, 2014 at 2:44 am
RE: Suicide - by Cyberman - December 16, 2014 at 3:30 am
RE: Suicide - by Ryantology - December 16, 2014 at 8:47 pm
RE: Suicide - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 3:26 am
RE: Suicide - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 4:31 pm
RE: Suicide - by robvalue - December 18, 2014 at 4:40 am
RE: Suicide - by Thumpalumpacus - December 18, 2014 at 5:10 am
RE: Suicide - by Ryantology - December 18, 2014 at 2:43 pm

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