(July 23, 2010 at 9:11 am)chasm Wrote:(July 23, 2010 at 6:47 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:Quote:I mean, how can you even go off "pain is bad"? Buddhists and Scientologists thinking suffering and pain are good.
Unless you're a sadist or a masochist pain is not something you can generally value, so therefore it isn't something you generally should. "ought" implies "can"
That's my point, though. Some people like pain and believe it's a good thing, while others don't. And that was my point about morals: what society thinks is socially acceptable. Most people don't think pain is a good thing, therefore pain isn't very socially acceptable.
"Pain is bad" comes from someone's own personal opinion on morals, which was exactly my point.
That's why I don't subscribe to classical utilitarianism (pain vs. pleasure), but preference utilitarianism, which would allow for people who like pain.
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'False religion' is the ultimate tautology.
'It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions.' Mark Twain
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