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[Alex K]

It should give you pause that your enlightened picture is so simplistic compared to what science says about the topic.

That's not the case. Real men work out. Science has shown that exercise helps to fight depression. This shouldn't be controversial. Most people on this board for some reason pay lip service to scientifically proven natural methods while worshiping prescription drugs.

It may help in some cases, sure.

I'm sorry to hear that,

Don't be. I don't regret the past. I move on to the future.

and it's great that it's working for you now, but others are not so lucky,

It's not about luck.

Oh, but it is. Some obviously get hit harder than you and can't find their way out of it just with some lifestyle changes, and might get hit so hard that they don't find the strength in themselves to make them.

and it's decidedly not because they don't have the balls like you or whatever.

So you don't know why they're still suffering, but you're sure that nothing I say can help them. Goit it!

No, I'm not saying that. Especially if you've overcome some form of depression, you may have valuable insights to give. It's just that it is known that there are cases of depression where lifestyle changes do not solve the problem.

But then what precisely was your point bringing it up? What is the argument you were trying to make?

As noted, that a fairly mainstream site gives ten natural ways to combat depression, and five of those things are also things a real man would do.

Ok, noted. But that's just an observation, what are you trying to tell us with this information. The real issue here is that you are trying to tie your health advice to completely problematic ideas about relationships and gender, and you better have a good argument why that baggage should be part of the deal. In fact, you brought the whole depression thing in as a validation that your ideas about relationships are correct, because some of the people who argue against you are depressed. That's an absolute non sequitur.

I don't think anyone here is arguing against your (a bit bromideish) insight that if you're depressed, you should at least try those things such as exercise, etc.