RE: Whats so offensive about Christianity
December 20, 2014 at 1:26 pm
(This post was last modified: December 20, 2014 at 1:35 pm by Drich.)
(December 19, 2014 at 5:22 pm)robvalue Wrote: Yes, modern day near-nothing pay labour is terrible. Really bad. And should be addressed as much as possible.
It is not however slavery. It's amazing to me that someone can't or won't see the difference. Also, you're claiming slavery is actually fine, while slagging us off for "supporting" something that is better than slavery.
And is God so incompetent that he requires either of these for his perfect world to function? Or must we hear about an apple again?
And of course, any actual slavery going on today is completely wrong. Obviously. I can't believe I even feel the need to have to type that.
I cannot make head nor tail of your argument. Firstly you just declare it's OK because your invisible friend says it's OK, but then you feel the need to justify it by pointing out that it exists in the modern world. How that second bit works I have no idea. Plenty of things exists in the modern world, doesn't make them right.
right now in Fl a produce harvester can expect to make 15.00 a day, unless he can pick what the grow predetermines as a quota. If he can do this then he can expect a bonus based on the bushel or pound of produce picked. I have never heard of anyone earning over 100 dollars even in the 12 to 14 hours that some pickers work.
But lets say pedro did work 14 hours and made that 100 dollar bonus, that comes out to 7.15 an hour, that is below the federal minimum wage. They can get away with this becauseit is deem an agicurtural enterprise and is not subject to such things as minimum wage or over time, child labor restrictions. (Otherwise people like you could not afford your groceries)
http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs12.htm
Now given the defination of slavery I left for minnie tell me how this is not slavery.
The problem you people have is that you have been conditioned in your mind to only recognise one kind of slavery, yes that is slavery but it is not the only form of it.
When you close your minds to all other forms you give modern day slave owners free reign to treat modern day slaves right here in this country any way they wish.
My grandfather fell over in a feild at 83 of heat stroke, and woke up several days later out of a comma with brain damage, and there was nothing we could do because his job did not afford him any rights... This was in 1989, but little has changed since then.
He spent the rest of his life in a nursing home tied to a wheel chair. The land owner sent a a covered dish of food when he died.
Again, slavery exists now. Just about every fresh and frozen thing you put in your mouth to eat was cared for and harvested by slaves. In this country or worse yet in others. Again if you live in a city and do not grow or produce everything you use, you need a slave to do that for you otherwise you could not afford to have it if everyone made a 'fair wage.' like wise slaves need and line up for thier jobs, and without them would die.
So what is the compromise living an economy based on the haves and the have nots? Make the haves be responsiable for the have nots by ensuring those have nots are not taken advantage of Rather than pretending they don't exist anymore leaving them subject to the whim of the have's.
(December 19, 2014 at 5:16 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote:(December 19, 2014 at 4:34 pm)Drich Wrote: Mindless selfrighteous name calling, all of you! Not one of you had nutted up and addressed the articals I left on modern day slavery and how the European markets are getting fat off the backs of sugar cane plantation slaves just like they did a few hundred years back! What the self righteous rarly see or understand is inorder to justify their own righteousness they must ignore evidence and history.. And those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it!The book of philemon is dedicated to reconsile philemon (slave owner) with oneimus (slave) Paul encourages Philemon to accept oneimus not just as a slave but as a brother in Christ. (To forgive him from running away.)
Why is it out of the 10 responses given since my last post not ONE has addressed the artical I left? Rather your efforts seem to center around the destruction of the messenger rather than the message. This may work in the broken intellects of philosophers who's primary focus is to debate faith, but here you have evidence and can not/have not even tried to dispute it to maintain your position. Rather you hold fast to your sickening self righteousness as if it were some prize to covet, and lash out at everything that challenges what it comfortable to you..
You fancy yourselves thinkers? You pretend to demand and act on evidence. You have been given oppertunity for both and done neither. Rather you vilify the messenger because pop morality demands it. Otherwise you would have to see yourselves for who you really are rather than who it is you pretend to be.
I wish you all long consumer based lives filled with many Black Friday door buster deals and all the organic out of season produce you can juice in 100 year span.
Again not condemning the fact that Philemon was keeping oneimus as a slave, but rather focousing on how oneimus was treated.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?ve...ilemon%201
So my understanding of your argument is that references to slavery in the Bible are intended to regulate the practice to prevent exploitation? (Sorry, I don't have the energy to read the links - at least right now.)
I wonder if the actual verses in the Bible support that position?