(December 27, 2014 at 6:33 pm)Lambert Wrote:(December 27, 2014 at 5:53 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Neither I nor any other atheist needs to have been a theist beforehand in order to have reached our present position, if that's what you're trying to argue. All that is required to adopt the stance of identifying as atheist is the existence of theists. You hold a set of beliefs; I happen not to share them. It really doesn't get more complicated than that.
Don't worry about theist and atheist. I accept that atheism can be just a fear of America's culture influence by religion, from a distance even
and I would agree with you on this.
And I know, but as soon as you say that if we do not sin Jesus died for nothing you already tell me that he died for our sin and that is totally protestant.
As I understand it he died for the sins of his world and told us to do the same for the sins of our world, by his famous "follow me" and die to them just as he did to his.
To take this one step further please understand that Matthew and Mark's Jesus did that too, but he went back to Galilee again for likely another 40 years [to fry some more] and died there nonetheless (and maybe he sung "patient endurance" songs already then).
So my point here now is that when Jesus ascended to heaven also hell came crashing down and that is what Matthew and Mark are all about.
To be free from sin is to be free from religion and its slavery to righteousness while in absence of our unity within, and therefore there can be no such thing as a Christian religion, is what my argument would be on this.
Poe or Troll? I'm going with Poe.
