[split] Hello everyone

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Fascinating.

So you're saying your whole church would be surprised at any link with Jesus? Who would you most identify with? Mary? The father? The spirit? The priest?

Not at all. Jesus was the spokesperson in the Gospels and that is all he was. I then added that the Gospels show us how transformation is done, or at least how it is supposed to be done because they make known the difference between what we call heaven and hell here on earth with Matthew and Mark being just opposite to Luke and John to make this difference known to us.

So important now is doing it right and therefore it is never a good idea to read the gospels with curious eyes because that can send the believer hell in a hurry, I suppose. This would be why Catholics just left Jesus hanging there as part of the act but not to say that he died for us then.

Mary is not part of the Trinity but comes to the fore after the collapse of the trinity itself. This would be when the father and son become one and the spirit is obviously redundant fromq then on.

So Jesus is/ was not God. So you are non trinitarian. Interesting.

As a Protestant, I believe that heaven and hell are right here, right now here on earth too. This is common to my denomination and many others too.

But what is the transformation and how does it happen? Are you talking about the Pentecost?

So Jesus combines with the father and possibly the spirit and the Trinity ends. You know I'd hate not to have direct access to the source and only have a third party feeding me this information. Does anyone besides the protest have direct access to God? Yours seems a detached belief like Judaism and Islam. Only a select few get to tell you what the main man wants. In Pentecostalism we're all saints.