(January 3, 2015 at 6:13 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(January 3, 2015 at 4:08 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: My point is, if you're going to make a case against religion by stating
"the most secular, least religious societies also tend to be some of the most prosperous financially and socially, and also the happiest."
then look at the Societies/governments that removed religion completely, and you would see that they tended to be hellholes , making that statement utter nonsense.
Societies that are free to live how they please and treated fairly (no injustice/corruption) are the happiest.
Your last sentence proves the falsity of the correlation you're trying to draw in the rest of your posts; you seem to understand that the reason those examples you give were bad places to live was that they were authoritarian and lacking in freedom, and yet your argument hinges on the idea that it's atheism that caused those states to be hellholes. So you disagree with Fidel's point, that the most secular countries are the most prosperous using examples that aren't applicable anyway, and then detail what makes a society the most happy and prosperous yourself... seemingly unaware that you're invalidating your own argument in doing so, partly because the reason you list has nothing to do with the initial claim you made, and partly because it is the countries where religion most influences state decisions that are the least free and fair.
So... congratulations for possessing the most ridiculous, self refuting, knee jerk reflexive position you could, on this issue.
No, I must congratulate you sir for having the ability to convolute a very simple concept.
you seem to think I'm making a case for a religious society, which I'm not.
Let's take a road for example.
A road is designed with gutters on the left and right for the trash to wash into. It is never good to be far left or far right of any issue it's best to remain in the center.
This applies to pretty much anything whether it be politics or religion.
It's ok to be conservative about somethings, and liberal about others. Taking one side OR the other is just nonsense.
that being said, a totally religious society is not the answer, neither is an atheist society, but one that gives the people freedom to choose.
So the point I was making was a societies happiness had nothing to do with secularism vs religion, but freedom of choice.
My point
