(January 3, 2015 at 6:25 pm)JuliaL Wrote: Creed apparently fails to recognize status for any non-humans. This chauvinism makes me sad. If he has a solution to theory of mind vs actually experiencing the internal reality of other humans, I'd like to hear it. I do not believe that denying self awareness in non-humans can be supported if other humans are granted the same. My empathy extends to dogs, chimps, whales and even cows. If an individual appears to be writhing in pain, I'm willing to accept that they actually are in pain. Creed is a little over the top which I recognize is an effect of the anonymity of the interwebs. I don't know if Creed is actually as simple as his posts appear.
"You're just sick!" is not a reasoned response.
Seriously? You don't actually have the spine to address me directly, you have to speak ABOUT me, rather than TO me?
Fine, in the future I'll just refer to you indirectly, too. Let us both be petty and childish, huh?
Well, Julia's inability to address any of the concerns I brought up about her morals regarding punishing someone with death and her subsequent need to stoop to arrogant holier-than-thou grandstanding to defend herself without providing anything of sustenance pretty much confirms what I feared about her; her view of what warrants death and what does not is black-and-white, and she would just as soon hang a man for killing another man as she would for him killing a cow, or so she seems to be implying. And since I gave her the benefit of the doubt to clarify her position, and she thus failed to do so, I am left with nothing but her previous words, which I need not address further, as they are in plain view for anyone else to see.
Now, to stop stooping to your level, I am going to be ignoring the red herrings you're now trying to throw up. I am addressing your stance that you would like to wipe out people with cold calculation for something regardless the reasoning for what they do; theory of mind vs. the other philosobabble crap you're going on about is little more than an excuse.
Animals can, indeed, feel pain. However, they cannot reason, they cannot rationalize, and they have no personalities. We know this because of neuroscience; the human frontal lobe is unique in the animal kingdom, and the human frontal lobe is where personality and reasoning come from, ergo to value a non-person to the equal level of a person is a far less reasoned stance to have than my response of "you're sick," which, by the way, is VERY reasonable, given what it was that you had said which I had been addressing.
I await your reply, and this time, grow some tits and address me directly.
