(January 5, 2015 at 1:05 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Secularism as you put it, may be neutral or "indifferent" to religion by definition but not in practice.
So, what you want is to assume that governments which fail to practice secularism as it is defined are somehow practicing secularism correctly? You're actually asking us to accept that not practicing secularism is practicing secularism?
Quote: For instance, the first amendment guarantees the free exercise of religion, yet we have children being disciplined for exercising their right.
Let's all play the fact checking game!
Quote:Boy Suspended from School For Reading Bible During Recess
And unfortunately, Huggy is off to a horrible start, by linking to a fabricated satirical news story, and pretending that it's real! To quote the byline of The News Nerd, which is what he linked to:
Quote: About The News Nerd
The stories posted on TheNewsNerd are for entertainment purposes only. The stories may mimic articles found in the headlines, but rest assured they are purely satirical.
It's at the bottom of the page he linked to as well, but who has time to read to the end of an article when there's a persecution rush to get to, right? For what it's worth, the school district also felt the need to reply to this, stating officially that the school that committed this heinous persecution of Huggy's religion... doesn't actually exist.
Good job so far, you brave crusader for Christ!
Quote:Student suspended for saying ‘bless you’ at school
And here too, a little fact checking shows that this is probably a lie. The principal of the school shows that large parts of the student's story- the punishment she got, the being removed from class- never happened, and that she got reprimanded for talking in class, not for the specific content of the speech.
So, we've got a student already caught in a lie most of the way... why should we believe her at all?
I hope you have the good graces to be embarrassed by all this, Huggy.
Quote:Not to mention the law in France that bans wearing religious symbols in schools.
French law on secularity and conspicuous religious symbols in schools
Being "neutral" would mean banning all symbols...
And that's wrong: nobody here is defending this as right, and it's not even a correct application of secular law. Aside from your 1 for 3 example count, you can't use examples that are not secular according to the definition, as rebuttals against secular culture. Christian doublethink may have conditioned you to believe otherwise, but the opposite of a thing is not the same as the thing itself: "Not secular," does not mean "secular" when it will help you win an argument.
Quote:None of the above acts affect government policy in any way, proving there is a clear agenda (if it's not an atheist agenda, then who?) against the public exercise of religion.
How is this being neutral or "indifferent" towards religion?
Well, given that your first example was a literal joke, and the second was a lie, and the third was not secular... I don't think you have a case at all, Huggy.
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