(January 8, 2015 at 2:01 am)MysticKnight Wrote:(January 8, 2015 at 1:42 am)paulpablo Wrote: Well you just said the majority of terrorists are political rather than religious, yet it sounds to me like Islam is a political movement aswell as religious, if it governs how to treat other civilizations and other people en mass rather than on a personal level.
A lot of the quran speaks of your people, their people, them and us, alliances, territory. Those issues are political.
The Quran does talk about political matters but it teaches words of peace and fighting only in self defense and only allowing you to kill those who kill or those who are destroying lives...therefore the problem is not what it teaches politically.
Also this us vs them is unfair of Quran. Quran had issues with a people who oppressed the believers but it didn't say to divide from rest of humanity and in fact talked about brotherhood of humanity in other verses and the unity of humanity in other verses and talked about generally being a friend to people.
It only forbid love to those who oppressed them, drove them out their homes and were ought to kill them.
It's unfair to say that Quran created this us vs them mentality.
That's fair enough, since this us vs them mentality is an evolved behavior.
But (assuming everything you say is true about Islam being peaceful) do you think Islam would be as widespead as it is if it did obey by its own laws of peace.
I personally think if you look at the expansion of Islam in history, there's no way it could have been successful if it had been as peaceful as these rules say Muslims have to be.
Just from a military standpoint you can't only attack people who attack you, there has to be some offensive maneuvers against groups of people who haven't yet harmed you, otherwise a war would involve standing still and waiting for individual people to attack, then attacking those individuals once you have been attacked. There has to be some point where an army has to basically work along the lines of "Ok this person attacked us, these people are all basically with that person, we need to kill them all."
I think the same way about Christianity, there's no way Christianity became as wide spread as it did by just handing out bibles.
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