The Quran restricts fighting to those who fight you...it never stated you can fight the allies of those who fight you.
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What Quran really teaches about peace.
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 RE: What Quran really teaches about peace.
January 8, 2015 at 1:12 am
(This post was last modified: January 8, 2015 at 1:17 am by Marsellus Wallace.)
(January 7, 2015 at 6:10 pm)user Wrote: The quraan contradicts itself, whatever you are looking for you can find in that book. If you want to kill there would be a verse to justify it, and if you want to pretend to be an angel there is another verse for that. And the reason is because Mo wrote it and changed it according to what he needed at that given time. When he needed to ally with the non muslims and make peace with certain rivals, he spoke of peace and forgiveness, when he had an army and could invade, suddenly the word of God has to spread and unbelievers have to die, etc... ^ THIS (January 8, 2015 at 1:08 am)MysticKnight Wrote: The Quran restricts fighting to those who fight you... no, not true . many times it says to fight those who fight Islam, and says many times to kill the infidels. (January 8, 2015 at 1:08 am)MysticKnight Wrote: it never stated you can fight the allies of those who fight you. Plz, complete the sentence to show the true logic of Islam ..... As long as they fight with us, don't kill them, and If they are not fighting with us and they're infidels, then cut their heads off . Lie to yourself as much as you can, i'm happy as long as these people know the truth . ![[Image: 11rvcsy.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i59.tinypic.com%2F11rvcsy.jpg)
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I must say that I don't really give a flying fuck what they believe. It's what they DO that is a concern.
And there....all the koranic verses you can spiel are drowned out by the gunfire.  Quote:Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them. I have a pretty good grasp of English and this is nonsense. I'd have to take a guess at what it means. Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them. Impersonation is treason.  (January 8, 2015 at 1:31 am)Minimalist Wrote: I must say that I don't really give a flying fuck what they believe. It's what they DO that is a concern. Except majority of Muslims interpret these verses as teaching peace and don't see a contradiction and majority of Muslims are peaceful. I think we all know the acts of terrorists are usually fueled by political motives more then religious motives. RE: What Quran really teaches about peace.
January 8, 2015 at 1:36 am
(This post was last modified: January 8, 2015 at 1:39 am by The Grand Nudger.)
You think we all know that? Tell that to the guy shreiking allahu akhbar before exploding. I think as little of his superiors as you do, and I'm a fairly cynical person. If you told me that the head of a terror group was in it for the cash or the power I'd agree. Thing is, that guy, by himself, would be powerless. Additionally, there's often overlap between religious and political motivation
-especially when your religion is your fucking politics.......sigh.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: What Quran really teaches about peace.
January 8, 2015 at 1:36 am
(This post was last modified: January 8, 2015 at 1:38 am by Mystic.)
(January 8, 2015 at 1:32 am)paulpablo Wrote:Quote:Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them. The previous verse before that states those who turn on their backs you can kill them..then this verse states except for these people. ie. people who belong to a people you have allegiance with or people who don't want to fight you but rather want peace. So it says basically there is no allowing you to kill people who leave Islam and don't want to fight you and are a peace with you. (January 8, 2015 at 1:36 am)Rhythm Wrote: You think we all know that? Tell that to the guy shreiking allahu akhbar before exploding. Religion is part of their identity, but their motives are politically fueled more then religion. RE: What Quran really teaches about peace.
January 8, 2015 at 1:40 am
(This post was last modified: January 8, 2015 at 1:44 am by The Grand Nudger.)
So sayeth you, and I'm sure that's not a self serving explanation in any way whatsoever....
His final comments on the matter, however, beg to differ. (I could, using your own line of reasoning, draw it down and say his actions are fueled more by biology than politics...and then we'd both be wrong, or we could just go ahead and let his words and actions speak for themselves...what do you think? It's clear to me that what matters to you here is excusing a faith you have some association with - more than anything else. I think you can do better.)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(January 8, 2015 at 1:36 am)MysticKnight Wrote:(January 8, 2015 at 1:32 am)paulpablo Wrote: I have a pretty good grasp of English and this is nonsense. I'd have to take a guess at what it means. Well you just said the majority of terrorists are political rather than religious, yet it sounds to me like Islam is a political movement aswell as religious, if it governs how to treat other civilizations and other people en mass rather than on a personal level. A lot of the quran speaks of your people, their people, them and us, alliances, territory. Those issues are political. Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them. Impersonation is treason.  |
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