RE: What/Who created God?
August 4, 2010 at 1:50 am
(This post was last modified: August 4, 2010 at 1:57 am by theVOID.)
(August 4, 2010 at 1:19 am)tavarish Wrote: Then how is this a rational argument? I could simply make any assertion and it would be equally justified.
We are talking about whether or not fr0d0's definition of god contains contradictory attributes regarding omniscience and omnipotence... This isn't an argument for his existence, it's an examination of a concept.
(August 3, 2010 at 8:09 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(August 3, 2010 at 5:09 pm)theVOID Wrote: It seems to me that this changes the issue from a philosophical to a moral one, namely how can you consider his actions perfect considering the amount of suffering of innocence in the world?As God knows everything, he is in a position to make that call fairly. To us it may look the opposite, but we don't share his perspective.
How exactly can one justify the needless suffering of innocent children? You must have attempted to rationalized this to yourself beyond the stock-standard "god works in mysterious ways" bullshit, so what sort of thoughts did you attain on the issue?
Quote:I don't know what you mean by that. Oh... you mean he has to act in a certain way - like our actions are mechanical in that we have no choice really in what we do. In that sense, I think yes. God is predictable in that respect, which is how I think his nature is formulated.
Yeah, it doesn't resemble much the typical "god is a force with a personality" (for lack of a more efficient description) that you hear from the majority of Christians. What you have described so far might as well be an algorithm ticking away - which is precisely what nature is.
Quote:God has the ability to suspend natural law, although to us it would become natural law once enacted, if there were any observable effect. (I hope that's what you meant, or you are going to have to define natural mechanism)
Do you have an example of a time when the laws of physics/nature were different?
Quote:I was trying to work it out, which I did badly, as you rightly pointed out the mistake. A timeless and all knowing being can't learn as that would imply time-bound.
I think i get what you were attempting.
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