(August 4, 2010 at 1:19 am)tavarish Wrote: Then how is this a rational argument? I could simply make any assertion and it would be equally justified.To me, rational doesn't have to include the independently verifiable, which I'm guessing is your condition here. Sure if your model was consistent I'd consider it as an alternative. I do consider atheism a viable alternative. I hold my current world view despite it being based on non verifiable evidence. I don't eliminate it because of that. To me it's the more rational choice. (No insult intended in my use of the word rational)
(August 4, 2010 at 1:50 am)theVOID Wrote: How exactly can one justify the needless suffering of innocent children? You must have attempted to rationalized this to yourself beyond the stock-standard "god works in mysterious ways" bullshit, so what sort of thoughts did you attain on the issue?I have rationalised it using the method above. "We can't know the mind of God", or : I credit God with having the knowledge to decide fairly given all possibilities. We may find it unfair, but then we can't know what God knows, so our conclusions aren't fully informed.
Scientists said that continental drift enabled life on earth and so justify the associated loss of life. I agree with that reasoning too.
(August 4, 2010 at 1:50 am)theVOID Wrote: Yeah, it doesn't resemble much the typical "god is a force with a personality" (for lack of a more efficient description) that you hear from the majority of Christians. What you have described so far might as well be an algorithm ticking away - which is precisely what nature is.I see.
(August 4, 2010 at 1:50 am)theVOID Wrote: Do you have an example of a time when the laws of physics/nature were different?Haha!

Jesus was born without a father. We discount that as vastly improbable and more probable to have been his mother lying or fertilisation occurring naturally somehow. Heck we can call it a myth the evidence is so thin.
I appreciate the most annoying thing to you here is the separation from fact. I must concede your point there.