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Atheism and Purpose
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RE: Atheism and Purpose
(August 6, 2010 at 3:55 pm)Edward the Theist Wrote: Then I realized a startling fact: if there is no God who created me, then I have no purpose. No inherent purpose, no mission in life. If everything is chaos and natural selection, then I'm just a determined entity. I don’t have to worry about “purpose.” There is no purpose. I am free from my existential dilemma. Free at last.

Presumably then you do feel that you have a purpose. A purpose pre-destined by this God character. If so then I have to ask what that purpose is and to what end?

Also, chaos and natural selection barely have a nodding acquaintance so I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Evolution works on the random mutation of genes that give its host some sort of advantage in the 'struggle for life'. This is not chaos. Perhaps you are alluding to the principle of cause and effect and that all future actions or events are already pre-determined by their past and so we can have no free will and any such sense is purely illusionary.

And why do you feel that you need a purpose or that a purpose is anything more than a human construct?

This I think is the fundamental difference between you and I. You look at the Cosmos and say "why", whereas I look at the Cosmos and say "how"! Correct me if I'm wrong.

Again, this isn't the reason why atheists are atheists as if you actually believe in a god then simply because you want to be free of purpose or to construct your own doesn't change the fact that you believe.
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Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 6, 2010 at 3:55 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Tiberius - August 6, 2010 at 3:58 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Eilonnwy - August 6, 2010 at 3:59 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 6, 2010 at 4:51 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 6, 2010 at 4:59 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Paul the Human - August 6, 2010 at 5:00 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 6, 2010 at 5:14 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Paul the Human - August 6, 2010 at 5:27 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 6, 2010 at 5:30 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Eilonnwy - August 6, 2010 at 5:23 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Ace Otana - August 6, 2010 at 5:28 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Paul the Human - August 6, 2010 at 4:06 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 6, 2010 at 5:03 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Darwinian - August 6, 2010 at 5:14 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Jaysyn - August 11, 2010 at 9:55 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Ace Otana - August 6, 2010 at 4:09 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by lrh9 - August 6, 2010 at 4:12 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 6, 2010 at 4:18 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Darwinian - August 6, 2010 at 5:09 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 6, 2010 at 5:33 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Minimalist - August 6, 2010 at 5:12 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Paul the Human - August 6, 2010 at 5:14 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by lrh9 - August 6, 2010 at 5:28 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Darwinian - August 6, 2010 at 5:47 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by HeyItsZeus - August 6, 2010 at 6:02 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by chasm - August 6, 2010 at 6:05 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 7, 2010 at 3:49 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Nitsuj - August 7, 2010 at 4:47 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by SleepingDemon - August 8, 2010 at 2:19 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 8, 2010 at 3:57 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by SleepingDemon - August 6, 2010 at 11:15 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Spencer - August 7, 2010 at 9:23 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Rev. Rye - August 7, 2010 at 12:18 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Ace Otana - August 7, 2010 at 4:51 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by chasm - August 7, 2010 at 6:31 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by ssmutters - August 7, 2010 at 4:55 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Cego_Colher - August 7, 2010 at 6:39 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Darwinian - August 7, 2010 at 6:48 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 7, 2010 at 6:51 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 8, 2010 at 12:22 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 8, 2010 at 12:43 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Tiberius - August 8, 2010 at 8:19 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by ssmutters - August 8, 2010 at 7:57 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Tiberius - August 8, 2010 at 8:50 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by padraic - August 8, 2010 at 12:59 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by downbeatplumb - August 8, 2010 at 9:37 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Ace Otana - August 8, 2010 at 10:29 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by SleepingDemon - August 8, 2010 at 10:35 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Shell B - August 10, 2010 at 4:55 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Nitsuj - August 8, 2010 at 3:42 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Minimalist - August 8, 2010 at 4:59 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Tiberius - August 8, 2010 at 7:10 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Minimalist - August 8, 2010 at 8:03 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 8, 2010 at 8:32 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by padraic - August 8, 2010 at 8:52 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by ABierman1986 - August 8, 2010 at 10:24 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Minimalist - August 8, 2010 at 10:31 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by padraic - August 8, 2010 at 11:30 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by ABierman1986 - August 8, 2010 at 11:51 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 9, 2010 at 2:25 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 9, 2010 at 3:02 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by padraic - August 9, 2010 at 12:05 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by The_Flying_Skeptic - August 9, 2010 at 3:24 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 9, 2010 at 5:26 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Ace Otana - August 9, 2010 at 10:07 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Paul the Human - August 9, 2010 at 10:16 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Ace Otana - August 9, 2010 at 10:21 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by The_Flying_Skeptic - August 9, 2010 at 9:04 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Welsh cake - August 9, 2010 at 7:19 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 9, 2010 at 5:16 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Ace Otana - August 9, 2010 at 5:25 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 9, 2010 at 10:17 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by LastPoet - August 9, 2010 at 7:20 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Minimalist - August 9, 2010 at 8:53 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by AnunZi - August 9, 2010 at 11:45 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by LastPoet - August 9, 2010 at 12:00 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by AnunZi - August 9, 2010 at 12:04 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by downbeatplumb - August 9, 2010 at 11:10 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by The Omnissiunt One - August 9, 2010 at 12:09 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 9, 2010 at 1:13 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Nitsuj - August 9, 2010 at 5:18 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 9, 2010 at 5:29 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by The Omnissiunt One - August 9, 2010 at 5:36 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 9, 2010 at 11:02 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Nitsuj - August 9, 2010 at 5:34 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Rhizomorph13 - August 9, 2010 at 10:01 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by ABierman1986 - August 9, 2010 at 10:11 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by padraic - August 9, 2010 at 10:42 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Rhizomorph13 - August 9, 2010 at 10:55 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 10, 2010 at 12:40 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Rhizomorph13 - August 10, 2010 at 1:28 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by ABierman1986 - August 9, 2010 at 10:59 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by The Omnissiunt One - August 10, 2010 at 4:23 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by SleepingDemon - August 10, 2010 at 7:05 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 10, 2010 at 12:02 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Rhizomorph13 - August 10, 2010 at 12:43 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Welsh cake - August 10, 2010 at 8:55 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 10, 2010 at 1:35 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 10, 2010 at 5:55 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by ABierman1986 - August 10, 2010 at 6:04 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 10, 2010 at 6:26 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Autumnlicious - August 10, 2010 at 6:51 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 11, 2010 at 2:26 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Ace Otana - August 10, 2010 at 6:54 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Shell B - August 10, 2010 at 10:38 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 11, 2010 at 1:59 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by KichigaiNeko - August 11, 2010 at 2:06 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Shell B - August 11, 2010 at 2:16 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 11, 2010 at 2:56 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Shell B - August 11, 2010 at 3:14 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 11, 2010 at 1:27 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Shell B - August 11, 2010 at 1:40 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Autumnlicious - August 11, 2010 at 2:27 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Shell B - August 11, 2010 at 2:32 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Autumnlicious - August 11, 2010 at 2:37 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 11, 2010 at 3:32 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 11, 2010 at 2:33 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 10, 2010 at 10:35 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by downbeatplumb - August 10, 2010 at 2:53 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Minimalist - August 10, 2010 at 3:48 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Ace Otana - August 10, 2010 at 4:13 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by ABierman1986 - August 10, 2010 at 5:01 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by LastPoet - August 10, 2010 at 5:06 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edwardo Piet - August 10, 2010 at 5:13 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 10, 2010 at 6:15 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edwardo Piet - August 10, 2010 at 6:22 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by ABierman1986 - August 11, 2010 at 3:22 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edwardo Piet - August 11, 2010 at 4:00 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by SleepingDemon - August 11, 2010 at 9:26 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Ace Otana - August 11, 2010 at 10:53 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Ace Otana - August 11, 2010 at 2:28 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Edward the Theist - August 11, 2010 at 2:49 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Ace Otana - August 11, 2010 at 2:52 pm
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Nitsuj - August 12, 2010 at 8:17 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by leo-rcc - August 12, 2010 at 8:21 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Nitsuj - August 12, 2010 at 8:24 am
RE: Atheism and Purpose - by Paul the Human - August 12, 2010 at 8:29 am

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