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Thanks for catching that, it makes a HUGE difference in the point being discussed.

there IS a huge difference between communism and "Stalinism"

I see that finding someone else in error is such a rare experience for you that you just can't stop celebrating. Congratulations.

When that someone wants to refer to someone else as an idiot, then he'd better be absolutely certian he's not in error himself.

Nope, and I haven't tried to have it both ways. You just desperately want me to have tried to have it both ways because you're not interested in discussion, just 'gotchas'.

You have a clear double standard in what you consider secular vs non secular, which i will explain below.

The Soviet Union wasn't secular because of its widespread anti-secular policies and actions. It was too anti-secular to be considered secular. Denmark is secular because despite having an official church, religious freedom is both guaranteed in law and allowed in practice, and no one has to support the state church with their taxes; not to mention the majority of the population upholds a secular point of view in practice. It's too secular to be considered anti-secular.

(emboldened by me for clarification)

You say that communism isn't secular because it suppressed religion (I disagree with that position), That's the only example you gave of why Communism isn't secular, your own quote from
http://atheistforums.org/thread-30615-po...#pid836110

Except that the communist countries you cited weren't secular. Political secularism is government neutrality toward religion, and that includes not oppressing it as much as it includes not promoting it.

The purpose of secularism is to keep the government from infringing on people's religious freedom of choice.

So according to you, engaging in religious oppression is a sign of not being secular, also, you define secularism as being "neutral toward religion."

Now in the case of Denmark
1. They have a state sanctioned church
2. They are automatically born as members of this church
3. regardless of what religion you are, a portion of your tax dollars supports this church
But yet you claim Denmark is secular, how is the above being neutral in matters of religion?

Political secularism is government neutrality toward religion, and that includes not oppressing it as much as it includes not promoting it.

If Russia wasn't secular because of "religious oppression" as you stated, then how can you claim that Denmark is secular when it clearly promotes it's state religion? see the double standard?

Nice of you to come to FIDEL's aid though, the guy is clearly a coward and can't do his own dirty work.

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Is it your position that an Atheist country cant have a secular government?

Of course not. What on earth would lead you to think I could possibly hold that position?

That was directed at Parkers tan, i just happened to use your quote as an example.