(August 11, 2010 at 2:56 am)Edward the Theist Wrote: No, they're leaps ahead of you on that. For instance, you don't seem to realize that an MRI tech can tell you the same thing. What neither of them can tell you is whether or not an injured brain has stopped producing consciousness or has stopped being able to use consciousness.Actually, they can tell by the level of activity in the brain. That's what MRIs are built to do. They can tell what the normal parameters of brain activity is and they can tell when the brain is over active, under active, and which parts of the brain are required for certain functions - including whether or not you're concious.
So... yeah. You're completely and utterly wrong.
(August 11, 2010 at 2:56 am)Edward the Theist Wrote: I fell once while ice climbing and was knocked unconscious. All I saw during that time was a green light. So, was I unconscious? When people die in the ICU they become like furniture. One time I talked to a dead person for about thirty seconds before I realized they were dead. Now, that's unconscious! An EEG for that person would've been flat, absolutely. But it still wouldn't answer the question as to what comes first: Does consciousness need a working brain to be obvious to the rest of us, or does consciousness arise from a working brain? Honestly, I don't think neurologists are even the people to answer this question; I think ultimately cosmologists will.Yes. Yes it does. People who go unconcious and then become concious again have given testimony to that end.
But no, cosmologists don't study the brain. They study cosmology. So... wrong again on both counts.
(August 11, 2010 at 2:56 am)Edward the Theist Wrote: Ah, I see. You're like a redneck atheist. You don't need no dang crackpot theories about consciousness! On MSNBC they got them there celebrity neurologists who say all I need to hear, by god...by matter.Once again resorting to insults in lieu of making any kind of relevant point...
(August 11, 2010 at 2:56 am)Edward the Theist Wrote: Did you just say NASA? Heehee. QED I think. Talk about dead physics. All the physics NASA needs has already been formulated. I know, I know, you think we're going to seed other planets with humans. The great atheist hope. Call this a prophecy if you like, but this is what I think: we are going to die out, and civilization will definitely die out, long before we are ever able to escape our solar system, and we can't live anywhere but earth. We could have gone to Mars 30 years ago. We already have that technology. But there's no point. There's no point in even going to the moon again.Uh, no. Absolutely wrong.
We barely even have the technology or necessary knowledge now. We didn't even know the moon (or mars) had much if any water until just a few years ago. We're still not entirely certain how to keep astronaughts alive for a long enough time to make any such long-term committment. Thirty years ago, we were barely aware of the horrible ways you could die even with a space suit in open space with things like solar flare and related sun-based radiation (which could have easily ended Apollo 11), cosmic rays, or even micro-asteroids, in which a pebble-sized bullet could effectively end a mission if it punches through the right part of a shuttle or space ship headed to mars.
So... again... you're absolutely wrong.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan