RE: Idealism is more Rational than Materialism
February 2, 2015 at 6:43 am
(This post was last modified: February 2, 2015 at 6:43 am by Alex K.)
(February 2, 2015 at 6:30 am)Rational AKD Wrote:Ok, for now. But my question was: what means "A is more fundamental than B"(February 2, 2015 at 5:53 am)Alex K Wrote: "the universe consists of physical processes", I dare you to tell me what this means. Saying "A is more fundamental than B" is utterly meaningless, basically a restating of the premise in different words, unless you tell me what it means.physical: descriptive of matter, energy, space, and time. good enough for you? mind: descriptive of thoughts, emotions, qualia, and a sense of awareness that includes a sense on ones self. are we good on these defining terms?
Quote:And here you start making stuff up without justification.(February 2, 2015 at 5:53 am)Alex K Wrote: I think you have a very narrow notion of what a physical process can do. It could be that a physical force uploads our minds into something that is preserved after we die. It's just not very likely, there is no evidence for it.we have not observed a "force" that uploads into anything. according to materialists, brains produce consciousness. when brains are destroyed, so is consciousness. in idealism, brains are not necessary for consciousness. they are simply there as an interface with this apparent physical world. it is so our minds can be localized in space rather than nowhere in space.
Quote:This is exactly what I mean. It is apparently lost, and in order to keep up your idea of the primacy of consciousness over matter, you have to start making excuses and hedging that go counter the observation. No. Consciousness as we know it is lost when you are unconscious.(February 2, 2015 at 5:53 am)Alex K Wrote: It's the thing you lose when you are in a deep coma.it is apparently lost, though not necessarily.
Quote:when you look outside in the daytime, you can see the sunlight. you also receive light from stars, but you do not notice it because it is being glared by the sun. similarly in a state of what we call unconsciousness, we still have consciousness but it is being glared making it appear that it is not there. just because something apparently is not there doesn't mean it truly isn't.Spoken like a true follower of Occam. Not.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition