(February 2, 2015 at 10:13 am)LastPoet Wrote:thanks for the advice.(February 2, 2015 at 9:35 am)Rational AKD Wrote: excuse my slowness. it's hard to keep up with everyone at once.
Just keep calm and address the arguments you deem fit. It would be nigh-on impossible, to adress everyone when you create a thread.
As to the topic, It is my opinion that ideas are contingent to the material world. If you could show me somehow, that ideas exist without a material structure, then perhaps there would be something to discuss. Mental streching is good, just like masturbation, but will never have anything usefull attached to it. And this is where I lose interest in the matter.
I can't show you a world that exists without material structure since you already assume a material world is what's behind our perception. but that's exactly what i'm pointing out. material is not necessary for our perception. what materialists suggest is that our minds create the world we experience from interpretations of the brain responding to stimuli. we already know this interpretation is not equivalent to the physical world as we recognize color, taste, smell, and sound as purely mental and only exist in our perception. we only experience what our minds cause us to perceive. this is undeniable. this perception does not necessarily correspond to reality. this is why we can have hallucinations. we cannot be sure what reality is beyond our perception. if we cannot be sure what reality is beyond our perception, then why assume there is one? we can easily postulate a world that is purely mentally constructed. we only perceive physical substances as mental constructs as shown by their presence of color, smell, taste, etc. if these things are just perceptual states, then perceptual states are all we can affirm to be real. some material behind our perceptual states is wholly unnecessary to postulate.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
-Galileo