RE: Idealism is more Rational than Materialism
February 3, 2015 at 1:37 pm
(This post was last modified: February 3, 2015 at 1:54 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 3, 2015 at 1:16 pm)Rational AKD Wrote: you can have a dead person with a perfectly in tact brain just like how you can have a dead person with perfectly in tact organs that are even viable for transplant. a dead person doesn't necessarily have brain damage or missing components from the brain.Yeah, they necessarily do..if you die, your brain will be damaged by this, and will be missing components.
Quote: it is merely unable to function because the body system fails.yeah...fails to provide it with its material requirements...so saying that the brain of a dead person and the brain of a living person are the same, or jacking your meat about it being "intact" - as if taking chunks out is the only way to alter it's physical composition.....is idiotic.
Quote:to say "we cannot get behind consciousness" is not to dissolve to solipsism. it dissolves to "mind is fundamental" which is general idealism which includes the many minds interpretation I stated in the OP.Strange, because I can remove your brain and you won't show any signs of consciousness, but if I knock you the fuck out you'll return to consciousness and at no point will your brain vanish from observation from there to here.
Quote:you clearly have no intention of honestly addressing points of view outside your own.That's it, solipsist...poison that well real good...lol.
Quote:excuse me, I confused your pronouns. if I die will you cease to exist? as I said, in my view you and I are part of a greater consciousness that brought us into existence. so your existence is in no way contingent upon mine.So I guess I'm not dependent on your consciousness...your consciousness is not fundamental to my existence. You have to assert a mysterious and un-evidenced third party to continue further. Why isn't your consciousness or my consciousness powerful enough to achieve the effect of this third consciousness?
Quote:1. if metaphysical solipsism is true, then all that exists is your mind and everything else is derived.-continue....
Quote:2. a consciousness that is truly fundamental would be in control of everything given 1.Sorry, nope. That something is derived from a thing or truly fundamental to it does not imply or establish that the thing from which it is derived possesses control of it. Whiskey is derived from corn, corn is fundamental to whiskey - and yet corn doesn't control whiskey.
Quote:3. "I" am not remotely in control of everything.Granted, and unsurprising, since your machinery isn't capable of controlling even a tiny fraction of everything, don't you think?
Quote:4. therefore my mind must be derived from something else."Therefore" is reserved for things that follow from a logical statement.
1 doesn't establish 2, even if given, and so can't be used to establish your conclusion by reference to 3 - even if true.
So... guess, since I'm not concluding what you do...the rest is doa? Eh?
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