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Evolution as evidence for atheism
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RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism
(August 18, 2010 at 9:55 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: I find the argument from evil to be a weak argument against God simply because of the relativity involved.

Those old enough to remember an iconic and campy action movie of the 80s where it was said "what you call Hell, he calls home" (hey, philosophy is where you find it). This tag line underscores how evil and suffering are relative and why Heaven and Hell can't possibly exist.

Today in modern civilization, we enjoy the luxury that technology provides us. Yet we take it all for granted. Those in more primitive societies knew a harsher existence but to them, it was part of life.

If Hell were real, those condemned to it would eventually, after a few hundred years, get used to being on fire all the time, their eyes would adjust to the darkness and they'd reach the acceptance stage of grief. Those in Heaven would be spoiled by the luxuries until they became used to it.

Getting back to earth, if God were to cut the evil and suffering by half, we'd adjust our sensitivity to what remained until we arrived back at a new equilibrium. No amount of reduction of evil would satisfy us.

Perhaps this is true - it is certainly an interesting thought - but I have doubts about its truth, and about whether it would make a difference to the problem of evil anyway.

Suffering, even if we get used to it, is still less preferable than pleasure, even if we get used to that. Even if an African can adapt completely to permanent starvation (which I find dubious), not being in a state of starvation is clearly preferable to anyone. Indeed, God could make it so that we never found a constant amount of pleasure boring, in which case the heaven and hell examples would be untrue.

Personally, I find the problem of evil - including Captain Scarlet's version of it - to be a very convincing argument against Christian theism. Let's examine the premises again:

1) God is all-powerful, all-knowing and all-loving (according to Christianity).
2) Any deity fitting that descripton cares for his creations' welfare (especially that of humans, according to Christianity, as we are made in his image), if the definition of 'loving' is anything like ours, or the one he gives in his moral commands.
3) God would want to reduce suffering as much as possible, allowing for any higher ends which he may wish to serve.
4) Evolution causes suffering.
5) God could (from 1) produce creatures without evolution.
6) God should wish to produce creatures through a means other than evolution.
7) We evolved.
8) Ergo, the god of Christian theism doesn't exist.

Now, it may be asserted that God made us evolve for some reason known only to him, but as no reason is presented for this, then it is a fairly implausible suggestion. Therefore, the god of Christian theism probably does't exist.
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Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Captain Scarlet - August 17, 2010 at 3:44 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - August 17, 2010 at 4:00 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Captain Scarlet - August 17, 2010 at 4:35 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - August 17, 2010 at 4:57 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Captain Scarlet - August 17, 2010 at 5:31 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by DeistPaladin - August 17, 2010 at 4:38 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Minimalist - August 17, 2010 at 4:48 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - August 17, 2010 at 5:27 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - August 17, 2010 at 5:43 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Captain Scarlet - August 17, 2010 at 6:00 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by fr0d0 - August 17, 2010 at 5:46 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Captain Scarlet - August 17, 2010 at 6:09 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - August 17, 2010 at 6:16 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by fr0d0 - August 17, 2010 at 11:03 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - August 17, 2010 at 6:09 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Captain Scarlet - August 17, 2010 at 6:46 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - August 17, 2010 at 7:31 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Tiberius - August 17, 2010 at 8:14 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by solja247 - August 17, 2010 at 8:05 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Captain Scarlet - August 18, 2010 at 6:33 am
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by DeistPaladin - August 18, 2010 at 9:55 am
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 19, 2010 at 10:30 am
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by fr0d0 - August 19, 2010 at 1:32 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Captain Scarlet - August 19, 2010 at 5:21 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by fr0d0 - August 19, 2010 at 7:10 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Captain Scarlet - August 19, 2010 at 7:31 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by fr0d0 - August 21, 2010 at 6:49 am
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by DeistPaladin - August 21, 2010 at 1:37 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Captain Scarlet - August 21, 2010 at 3:54 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Tiberius - August 22, 2010 at 10:00 am
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by downbeatplumb - August 26, 2010 at 3:51 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Darwinian - August 22, 2010 at 10:48 am
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Captain Scarlet - August 22, 2010 at 1:50 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by DeistPaladin - August 23, 2010 at 10:59 am
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by DeistPaladin - August 26, 2010 at 10:52 am
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by leo-rcc - August 26, 2010 at 3:47 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Captain Scarlet - August 26, 2010 at 5:26 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Edwardo Piet - August 26, 2010 at 3:39 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by DeistPaladin - August 26, 2010 at 4:32 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by leo-rcc - August 26, 2010 at 4:41 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by DocFNT - August 26, 2010 at 4:47 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Edwardo Piet - August 26, 2010 at 4:53 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by goalie - August 31, 2010 at 9:05 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - August 31, 2010 at 9:08 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by goalie - August 31, 2010 at 9:33 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - August 31, 2010 at 10:07 pm
RE: Evolution as evidence for atheism - by goalie - August 31, 2010 at 10:33 pm

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