RE: "Everything has a cause and an explanation" discussion.
February 21, 2015 at 12:07 pm
(This post was last modified: February 21, 2015 at 12:09 pm by Pizza.)
(February 21, 2015 at 11:45 am)Irrational Wrote:There would be no property to stop properties from just happening. Nothing followed by something. Non-existing followed by existing. I hate to repeat myself but you are just repeating yourself. I'm not saying I believe this, I'm just showing you haven't actually proved anything.(February 21, 2015 at 11:19 am)Pizz-atheist Wrote: Then the problem is you're giving powers to nothing. You're saying nothing has the ability to stop something from "arising."
I heard that argument before on some other site (I think it was Sean Carroll's), but the problem I see with this is that it seems to be wordplay. I am saying that nothing has no ability whatsoever. So it will neither have the ability to get stuff to "arise" from it nor the ability to stop something from "arising". If nothingness existed (which it doesn't), then nothing would have "existed". So the reason why nothing arises from this nothingness is NOT because of some ability that nothingness may have (it is NOthing after all), but rather because there is no stuff or property in this nothingness to allow for something to occur.
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