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March 2, 2015 at 12:29 pm (This post was last modified: March 2, 2015 at 12:54 pm by Pizza.)
No, my point was that Strongbad's "true atheist" test was ill thought out for that reason. If irreligious theists count as atheists then who isn't an atheist?
(February 27, 2015 at 1:36 pm)Strongbad Wrote:
(February 27, 2015 at 1:04 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: [/i]Believed that physical reality was all that there was, and stories of “creation”, deities, spirits, angels, demons, souls, etc., were merely fantasies[/i]
(February 27, 2015 at 1:04 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Yes. But more like misinterpretations of otherwise actual events. For example, the flood myth was based on a local event transformed into legend.
So, you used to believe that spirits, angels, demons, and souls were "misinterpretations" of actual things, but now you believe they are real? Can you please explain the operation of a "soul"? Where does a soul reside? How does a soul communicate with other entities? Does is it have ears, vocal chords and a mouth, or does it just use telepathy? Does it have a brain, and if not, how does it process information?
(February 27, 2015 at 12:37 pm)Strongbad Wrote: And then somehow you became convinced that Christianity was no longer to be grouped as a falsehood with all other religions, because it is actually the one religion that is true.
(February 27, 2015 at 1:04 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: No. I’m very ecumenical. I think there is something going on at a more fundamental level that sensible reality. That is a feeling shared by most religions. How different cultures approach the Divine gives each religion its own flavor. In my own case, Christianity is the best framework for me to use because it is the most familiar and corresponds with my spiritual experiences.
So you don't believe that Christianity is the one religion that is true, but you go with it because it corresponds with your "feelings" and "spiritual" experiences? What is a spiritual experience? Is that like a "feeling"?
(February 27, 2015 at 12:37 pm)Strongbad Wrote: That the god you now “believe in” is actually real, and that he really did create the universe, and that he really does rule over it. That angels, demons, spirits, etc., are factually real. And that after your death you will be resurrected and you will live forever in the presence of this god.
(February 27, 2015 at 1:04 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Yes. All except the idea of a physical resurrection.
So you "believe in" non-physical "resurrection? Please explain the mechanics of this.
(February 27, 2015 at 12:37 pm)Strongbad Wrote: For some reason, I don’t believe you were ever an atheist..I say bullshit."
(February 27, 2015 at 1:04 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: And I say piss off.
So sorry to piss you off. And, spoken like a true Christian!
In fairness to Chad, I would probably have the same reaction to you as he did, if you jumped down my throat for same trivial reasons.
It is very important not to mistake hemlock for parsley, but to believe or not believe in God is not important at all. - Denis Diderot
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