RE: Why I'm Still a Christian
March 2, 2015 at 5:06 pm
(This post was last modified: March 2, 2015 at 5:09 pm by Lek.)
(March 2, 2015 at 1:35 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: 1. Modern humans are descedants of multiple lines of previous humans. Our source "Eve" and "Adam", lived apart in time (although probably within 10,000 years of each other) and apart in geography.You are discussing the natural evolution of the human species. That's not what I'm discussing here. I'm saying that at some point in time, maybe 6,000 or so years ago, God chose one man and one woman and gave them souls. They were then spiritual beings and held accountable for their actions. They sinned and failed the test. I don't know if God, after that event, gave souls to all humans living at that time or just gave souls to all humans born after that event. It really doesn't matter to me.
2. The human population around 6-8k years ago was about 4 million.
You seem to believe around 6-8k years ago, god infused some two humans with a "soul" and we are all descedants from those two. Except, from genetics we know that is impossible.
Quote:3. The Bible plainly says we are descended directly from Adam and Eve. Even Jesus has Adam in one (or both?) of the geneologies. Yet, it is a virtual scientific certainty humans did not come about via Adam and Eve. So, the Adam and Eve story must be taken metaphorically. We're back to Jesus dying for a metaphor.
If Adam and Eve were the first two humans to possess a soul, and thus be able to experience God's eternal life, then all humans who have a soul, which is everyone now, are descended spiritually from them. If those two had children, then Jesus could have been physically descended from them. But, Jesus wasn't discussing genetics, of which they had no knowledge at the time. Jesus was discussing our salvation, on which our natural evolution has no bearing.
Quote:4. Per modern genetics, there have never been less than 10,000 human individuals traipsing around the earth.
So, the part that isn't clear to me is, just when and via what mechanism do you think god changed humans over from sinless/no soul, to sinners with a soul? Couldn't have been in 6000BC, unless he put that soul in all 4 million people existing at that time. And, for that to work, you mean to say, before 6000BC people were't sinners? How does that all work?
The mechanism God used was by special creation of our souls. As for all those humans living before that time, they were simply just the mostly highly evolved of the creatures on earth. They did things that we would consider "bad", but would not be held accountable by God any more than apes or lions. This is because they were no more spiritual beings than those were. They were not able to experience eternal life with God, as we are. Keep in mind that I'm not spouting doctrine here, but expressing some of my own thoughts about how things may have come about. In my mind, what makes humans different than all other animals, besides being the most highly naturally developed, is the possession of a spiritual nature.
(March 2, 2015 at 3:42 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: And the prerequisites for joining the KKK
Gimme a break!