RE: Do we expect too much from human reason?
March 2, 2015 at 10:16 pm
(This post was last modified: March 2, 2015 at 10:30 pm by Mudhammam.)
(March 2, 2015 at 9:12 pm)Thoughtage Wrote: Why does the atheist lack a belief in god? Other than those few who have never heard god claims, the answer is always the same. They believe reason is qualified to address the topic.And knowledge is derived from something other than evidence, reason, and argument?
(March 2, 2015 at 3:46 pm)robvalue Wrote: By the by, agnostic is not an intermediate position between theist and atheist; there is no intermediate position. Just in case that comes upI have to disagree. There are people who spend their entire lives vacillating between one and the other, or think atheists and theists are essentially talking about the concept of infinity perceived in two radically different languages, and are happy to call themselves agnostics. I think they'd be correct to refer to themselves that way. They don't know, and perhaps they respect the idea of God and live out their lives accordingly, even remaining in their religion because they believe it touches something supernatural or otherworldly that is closer to a mind rather than a mechanical principle. I think all of these people are justly called agnostic.
(March 2, 2015 at 9:12 pm)Thoughtage Wrote: Which is why I am arguing against atheist faith.That's ridiculous. You haven't even addressed the faiths of afaeryism, aunicornism, amermaidism, or 9/11isaninsidejobism, and you want to tackle aSupermanism?
But seriously, learn how to think for yourself, and remember an important tip: there's a reason why the human race advances, and it has nothing to do ancient magic incantations.
(March 2, 2015 at 9:12 pm)Thoughtage Wrote: Hmm, so those billions of galaxies not discovered until only 100 years ago didn't exist until we discovered them??Again, logic. Learn your fallacies. Jesus fucking Christ.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
We don't argue by saying, "I don't see X. That is evidence that X doesn't exist."
That's Logic 101. No, I'm not kidding, I have an exam on this in my Introduction to Logic class this Wednesday.
Rather, the correct formulation is, "I do not have good evidence or reason to believe that X exists."
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza