Evolution as evidence for atheism

[DeistPaladin]

Also your TAG based arguments around mathematics are correctly put in their place by Adrian. Maths is an abstract concept of the human mind. As such within the framework of mathematics it is a trivial question to ask if numbers exist and whether they are transcendent concepts, ansolute laws etc, of course this is true. Outside of that framework (in the objectively real world) numbers do not exist as they are a construct only within maths and the human mind. This is where all TAG arguments break down (TAG for Morals, TAG for Logic etc).

Even as a deist, I find some of the arguments proposed for God to be mind-numbingly stupid. The Transcendental and Ontological Arguments are prime examples, and yet they're routinely offered by Christians with a smug "checkmate" attitude.

In the spirit of logical positivism, I'd say that these arguments don't even rise to the level of being ruled "false". They are flat out non sequiturs. They make no sense at all. They're the equivalent of saying "Wednesday quacking planet Jupiter kumquats pinecones therefore God exists".

The TAG argument tries to state that logic, objective morals and other rules are somehow proofs that God exists. There are many ways to argue against this but fundamentally, it's a classic non sequitur. Logic is based on observation and experience while morality is based on our ideas of how we should treat one another. I can imagine these things existing in a universe without a deity and therefore it does not follow that one must exist because these things exist.

The Ontological argument is even more idiotic. Because something can be imagined to exist means that it does? I can imagine myself having a million dollars in my desk drawer and actually having a million dollars is better than not having a million dollars, therefore... Damn, it didn't work.