Why I'm Still a Christian

[Thumpalumpacus]

So, you're a moral relativist, then?

No. We are follow Christ and that's where my morality comes from. We are to leave justice to God.

Yet when your god commits genocide, you deem it moral. In other words, the morality of genocide is relative to the actor.

Indeed, you are practicing moral relativity -- assigning different moral values depending on who does what.

I would need to talk to Job now and see if he is sorry about what he had to go through. My feeling is that he is very happy right now; maybe more so because of what he went through.

Really? You don't need to talk to Job. You can talk to any parent who has buried a child, and then later had another. Does the second childbirth obviate the death of the first, or the pain inscribed on the parent's heart?

Good and bad is not about totting up pluses and minuses. You cannot replace children.

... except by their god, who will torture them in Hell.

Some choice, eh?

Or maybe just because they think they are doing the right thing.

This is an incoherent reply. Please explain it.

I don't know. I just read the news.

What news? What numbers?

And yes, every human who lives gets the shaft, because your allegedly merciful god was unable to forgive Adam and Eve their trespasses.

He has forgiven Adam and Eve and everyone else who ever lived. We just need to make the choice to accept it.

Clearly wrong: Adam and Eve died before Jesus was born. And that's giving you the courtesy of assuming your story is true.

And, offering me a crutch after breaking my leg is not a kindness.

Why is it evil to give us our own choice between heaven or hell?

Because if you're all-powerful, you can clearly forgive people without needing to torture them.

Many of you in this forum have already said you would prefer to go to hell where all your friends will be. Here's God: "Jesus has atoned for your sins and I want to you to come and live with me for an eternity of bliss. The alternative is suffering away from me. Take your pick. It's up to you. I just want to let you know that life apart from me will be torment." Here's you: "No thanks man. I don't like you, so I'm taking hell. I don't believe it's torment. I think you're just trying to hide the fact that Satan throws great parties."

No. Here's what I have to say: If you're good, you will not hold my soul hostage. If you're evil, I will not worship you..

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Climb down off the cross, there. How many Christians die for Christ each year? Be specific, and cite your sources.

Clearly you are not following events in the Middle East.

I said, be specific, and cite your sources. Give numbers. How many Christians are being killed there?

Surely you're well-informed enough to provide the requested information. Let us put this into perspective with facts, in order to avoid appeals to emotion.

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They're not dying for Christ. They're being murdered by religious fanatics.

Bullshit! They are being slain precisely because they are Christians. The fact that the fanatics also murder others is irrelevant.

So, you have insight into why ISIS is murdering Christians?

I think ISIS isn't murdering them for being Christian, they're murdering them for not being fundamentalist Muslims. The strength of that hypothesis is that it also explains why ISIS is murdering people of all other faiths.