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Atheism and vegetarianism
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RE: Atheism and vegetarianism
(August 24, 2010 at 7:42 am)leo-rcc Wrote: Preaching to the choir, I'm anti death penalty anyway because of the risk of not guilty persons being killed. And I would be in favor of doing it like that too if it really needs to be done.

However, the point was that the existence or the development of the CNS is not relevant, there are many ways to kill without suffering. Nitrogen is just the one I'd advocate as a cheap and viable solution. Close to 80% of the Earths atmosphere is Nitrogen anyway.

Why do you put artificial boundaries up about killing humans? My criteria for what it's wrong to kill are clear and logical: if a being is a person, it is wrong to kill them. A being is a person if they have a sense of themselves existing over time, and can thus make plans for the future. If they can, then to kill them is to prevent them from fulfilling their plans, and hence a violation of their interests, which is wrong from a preference utilitarian viewpoint. This also gives me good reason to permit abortion, while having moral reservations about killing animals like dolphins and chimps, and maybe pigs, which have been demonstrated to have some degree of self-awareness. Killing a person, then, is wrong even if done painlessly.

'We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.' H.L. Mencken

'False religion' is the ultimate tautology.

'It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions.' Mark Twain

'I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.' Abraham Lincoln
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Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 22, 2010 at 5:24 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by lrh9 - August 22, 2010 at 5:28 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Paul the Human - August 22, 2010 at 5:34 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Tiberius - August 22, 2010 at 5:34 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 22, 2010 at 5:42 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Ace Otana - August 22, 2010 at 5:43 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by chasm - August 22, 2010 at 6:01 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 22, 2010 at 5:57 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Ace Otana - August 22, 2010 at 6:06 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 22, 2010 at 6:09 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Ace Otana - August 22, 2010 at 6:13 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 22, 2010 at 6:20 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Ace Otana - August 22, 2010 at 6:27 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 22, 2010 at 6:51 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Ace Otana - August 22, 2010 at 7:00 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Rev. Rye - August 22, 2010 at 6:37 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by darkwolf176 - August 22, 2010 at 6:59 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by fr0d0 - August 22, 2010 at 7:31 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by darkwolf176 - August 22, 2010 at 9:04 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 22, 2010 at 7:32 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by lrh9 - August 22, 2010 at 7:55 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 22, 2010 at 8:02 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by lrh9 - August 22, 2010 at 9:01 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by fr0d0 - August 22, 2010 at 8:06 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 22, 2010 at 8:11 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Minimalist - August 22, 2010 at 8:13 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by fr0d0 - August 22, 2010 at 8:14 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 22, 2010 at 8:15 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Minimalist - August 22, 2010 at 8:16 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by cdog - August 22, 2010 at 8:33 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 23, 2010 at 3:52 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by lrh9 - August 23, 2010 at 4:50 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 23, 2010 at 4:55 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Minimalist - August 22, 2010 at 9:07 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by theVOID - August 22, 2010 at 9:58 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by lrh9 - August 22, 2010 at 10:00 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Minimalist - August 22, 2010 at 10:03 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by theVOID - August 22, 2010 at 10:05 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Eilonnwy - August 22, 2010 at 10:22 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by theVOID - August 22, 2010 at 10:37 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by lrh9 - August 23, 2010 at 5:08 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 23, 2010 at 5:15 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 23, 2010 at 5:08 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 23, 2010 at 5:17 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 23, 2010 at 5:22 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by lrh9 - August 23, 2010 at 5:24 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 23, 2010 at 5:28 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by lrh9 - August 23, 2010 at 5:33 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by AnunZi - August 23, 2010 at 5:38 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Loki_999 - August 25, 2010 at 2:14 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 23, 2010 at 6:06 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Loki_999 - August 23, 2010 at 5:24 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by lrh9 - August 23, 2010 at 5:40 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 23, 2010 at 5:46 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Eilonnwy - August 23, 2010 at 10:55 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 23, 2010 at 1:34 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Zen Badger - August 23, 2010 at 7:00 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 23, 2010 at 7:57 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Ace Otana - August 23, 2010 at 8:17 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Tiberius - August 23, 2010 at 7:12 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 23, 2010 at 8:41 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Ace Otana - August 23, 2010 at 8:48 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 23, 2010 at 9:35 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Ace Otana - August 23, 2010 at 9:52 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by leo-rcc - August 23, 2010 at 10:54 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by KichigaiNeko - August 23, 2010 at 9:58 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by darkwolf176 - August 23, 2010 at 10:53 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by darkwolf176 - August 23, 2010 at 11:11 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by leo-rcc - August 23, 2010 at 11:12 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Eilonnwy - August 23, 2010 at 11:22 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Minimalist - August 23, 2010 at 11:41 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by parrotpirate - August 23, 2010 at 1:28 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by leo-rcc - August 23, 2010 at 1:54 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 23, 2010 at 5:43 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by leo-rcc - August 24, 2010 at 3:13 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 23, 2010 at 1:59 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by lrh9 - August 23, 2010 at 6:09 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Minimalist - August 23, 2010 at 7:23 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by cdog - August 23, 2010 at 8:10 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 24, 2010 at 5:14 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by leo-rcc - August 24, 2010 at 6:14 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 24, 2010 at 6:31 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by leo-rcc - August 24, 2010 at 6:39 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 24, 2010 at 6:49 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by leo-rcc - August 24, 2010 at 7:04 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 24, 2010 at 7:17 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by KichigaiNeko - August 24, 2010 at 7:16 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by leo-rcc - August 24, 2010 at 7:26 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 24, 2010 at 7:34 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by leo-rcc - August 24, 2010 at 7:42 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 24, 2010 at 7:52 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by leo-rcc - August 24, 2010 at 8:43 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 24, 2010 at 9:16 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by leo-rcc - August 24, 2010 at 9:31 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 24, 2010 at 6:00 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by leo-rcc - August 24, 2010 at 7:16 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 25, 2010 at 5:28 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 24, 2010 at 7:49 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by lrh9 - August 24, 2010 at 7:30 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by leo-rcc - August 25, 2010 at 4:30 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by leo-rcc - August 25, 2010 at 5:37 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 25, 2010 at 9:29 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 25, 2010 at 12:12 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 25, 2010 at 4:43 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 25, 2010 at 4:53 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 25, 2010 at 4:59 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 25, 2010 at 5:05 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 25, 2010 at 5:42 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by lrh9 - August 25, 2010 at 5:43 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 25, 2010 at 5:57 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 26, 2010 at 5:11 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 26, 2010 at 5:03 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 26, 2010 at 5:41 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 26, 2010 at 5:49 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 27, 2010 at 12:52 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 27, 2010 at 5:00 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 27, 2010 at 5:52 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - August 27, 2010 at 5:59 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 28, 2010 at 4:13 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by lrh9 - August 31, 2010 at 7:31 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Scarface - August 30, 2010 at 9:26 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by yuriythebest - August 30, 2010 at 9:28 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - August 31, 2010 at 9:56 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Existentialist - August 31, 2010 at 5:47 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - September 1, 2010 at 6:50 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by lrh9 - September 1, 2010 at 2:05 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - September 1, 2010 at 4:42 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by lrh9 - September 1, 2010 at 6:52 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - September 2, 2010 at 5:55 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by lrh9 - September 2, 2010 at 12:27 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by leo-rcc - September 1, 2010 at 6:01 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Tiberius - September 1, 2010 at 7:02 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Edwardo Piet - September 1, 2010 at 7:07 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Existentialist - September 1, 2010 at 1:16 pm
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by padraic - September 2, 2010 at 1:18 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by Entropist - September 2, 2010 at 6:15 am
RE: Atheism and vegetarianism - by The Omnissiunt One - September 3, 2010 at 3:18 pm

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