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(March 5, 2015 at 11:12 pm)Neber Wrote: Hi all to be honest i'm here to collect some evidence surrounding evidence against creation from the Atheist and scientific point of view. Hopefully this doesn't put you off but i've recently listened to the creationist talk at church about evidence of Dinosaurs within last 6000 years, evidence of flood through tectonic plates leading to Mt Ararat(showing that land masses literally moved upwards from the surface) and also inaccuracy and uses of Carbon dating only to within the the last 25000-50000 years or so.
Anyways I'd like to list the main points i heard spoken about and would love to hear the current scientific evidence against such points, mainly strong evidence but i'm also interested in any theories which could present a possible but not a proven reason why it disproves those points. Anyways i'm interested in the scientific evidence and findings and not about an argument so to speak. I just want to see the other side's view.
So here are the main points that you can feel free to provide scientific evidence against:
Carbon dating has inaccuracies, where pyroclastic flows and volcanic activities have showed a volcano explosion dated at 23.7 million years whereas it only occured in the last 200 years.
Carbon dating relies on C-14 with calculations dependent on trees accurate to what i've found 14,000 years and possible use of coral reefs beyond that to determine carbon dates. My question is how can you carbon date to the millions or billions of years? What techniques does science use alongside carbon-dating, how can the substantiate the 50000+ years dates of historical evidence if it only can accurately go to 50,000. I've read that fossils rely on the rock and sediments around it, but does this use carbon-dating? What am i missing here?
For Evidence with dinosaurs, Alexander the great wrote in his diary of an experience with a huge animal with eyes as big as a shield. An asian temple has a picture of a fleshed out brachisarausBrachiasaurus, how did they come up with this besides imagination, something so accurate as a carving on their temple, and again the points from creationists have been that carbon-dating and the effects of floods affecting the carbon in the atmosphere leads to a re-calibration of fossil dating being drastically cut back to recent times from what i've heard. Also they've found the existence of soft-tissue within dinosaurs this seems to prove in theory they're far more recent than we expected, what's the refutation for this?
Lastly the evidence for the flood whilst seemingly more of a stretch was that in the bible it says:
Quote:The mountains rose; the valleys sank down
To the place which You established for them.
So according to this the earth needed to rise and from what i heard that evidence for this is that alot of the tectonic plates actually line up with Mt Ararat where Noah landed so if the earth were to rise it lines up with Noah landing at Mt Ararat. Also evidence at Mt Everest that water and a layer of dirt was found shows evidence of the flood which you may heard of. And the last of that evidence was talking about how the Grand Canyons and similar type structures exist because of water-formations, and a flood seems to explain that very well.
Anyways feel free to refute and provide evidence especially scientific evidence and theories or common refutations against this evidence above. You may think i'm naive having this viewpoint but proving it with your evidence would be of great value.
Once a person understands that the Hebrew word ‘yom’ has multiple meanings for the English word ‘day‘, they will realize that the established historical science dating is correct as in - geology, astronomy, paleontology. Certain groups insists that the Genesis word ‘day’ must be translated as a sunset to sunset meaning. They will also point out that the genealogies added up fit their dating schemes. So to harmonize their incorrect day translation and interpretation schema into science, they are forced to machinate against the established dating methods. Christian also know that God has ‘fixed’ the laws of the Universe meaning they don’t change over time. The proponents of this view are not as wrong as the atheists, but they are still wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom - the correct Genesis ‘day’ means “A long, but finite span of time”.
Currently we are in day 7 (God ‘rested’ [ceased from creation after man]). An aside, many biblical reference have ‘day’ not as 24 hours, such as in: “the day of the Lord”.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.