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Evidence god does not exist
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RE: Evidence god does not exist
(August 24, 2010 at 6:11 pm)The Omnissiunt One Wrote:
'fr0d0 Wrote:According to you Evie (from past statements), a huge amount of what we can understand is physical. Given those odds what we can understand to be non physical is severely reduced.

Everything non-physical that we know of is either conceptual (a product of thought) or thought itself (unless you're a radical materialist, in which case the latter doesn't apply). Therefore, God is likely to be conceptual i.e. non-existent.
For me this is a very real problem for theism. It has to assert that there is a part of existence that is unaccounted for and that the uni, multi, manyverse is not the totality of existence. This means we cannot in effect reason to god from analogy because analogies only work by reference to the totality of what we know exists. On the face of it this immediately rules out arguments from design and the cosmological arguments. Leaving ontological arguments (which is as close to you get to bootstrapping a god into existence by definition only), moral arguments (for which there are naturalist defeaters), tag type arguments (which seem poor) and personal experience (which outside of each individual carry little weight).
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
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Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 22, 2010 at 4:11 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Tiberius - August 22, 2010 at 4:52 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 22, 2010 at 5:20 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Shinylight - August 22, 2010 at 4:54 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Paul the Human - August 22, 2010 at 5:08 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Edwardo Piet - August 22, 2010 at 5:56 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Minimalist - August 22, 2010 at 8:30 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by annatar - August 23, 2010 at 2:29 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by DiRNiS - August 23, 2010 at 3:18 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by annatar - August 23, 2010 at 3:56 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by everythingafter - August 29, 2010 at 11:21 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Edwardo Piet - August 23, 2010 at 3:57 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by The Omnissiunt One - August 23, 2010 at 4:57 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Edwardo Piet - August 23, 2010 at 5:03 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by The Omnissiunt One - August 23, 2010 at 5:09 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Edwardo Piet - August 23, 2010 at 5:12 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by The Omnissiunt One - August 23, 2010 at 5:19 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Edwardo Piet - August 23, 2010 at 6:03 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by The Omnissiunt One - August 23, 2010 at 8:07 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Edwardo Piet - August 23, 2010 at 11:54 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by fr0d0 - August 23, 2010 at 3:41 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by theVOID - August 26, 2010 at 11:20 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by fr0d0 - August 27, 2010 at 7:39 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Edwardo Piet - August 24, 2010 at 4:03 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by fr0d0 - August 24, 2010 at 12:41 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Edwardo Piet - August 25, 2010 at 5:22 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 25, 2010 at 9:57 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Edwardo Piet - August 25, 2010 at 12:00 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by The Omnissiunt One - August 24, 2010 at 6:11 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 24, 2010 at 10:11 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 25, 2010 at 2:20 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by CRAPSTIANITY-SHITSLAM - August 26, 2010 at 8:09 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by AngelThMan - August 26, 2010 at 9:44 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Edwardo Piet - August 27, 2010 at 4:16 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Minimalist - August 26, 2010 at 9:52 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by padraic - August 26, 2010 at 9:55 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Minimalist - August 26, 2010 at 11:24 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by AngelThMan - August 27, 2010 at 11:37 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Paul the Human - August 28, 2010 at 9:09 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by AngelThMan - August 28, 2010 at 11:15 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 29, 2010 at 5:49 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by CRAPSTIANITY-SHITSLAM - August 27, 2010 at 9:43 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by The Omnissiunt One - August 28, 2010 at 10:24 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 28, 2010 at 10:45 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 28, 2010 at 5:49 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 28, 2010 at 6:02 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 28, 2010 at 6:06 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 28, 2010 at 6:11 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 28, 2010 at 6:17 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 28, 2010 at 6:31 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 28, 2010 at 6:36 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 28, 2010 at 6:39 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 28, 2010 at 6:44 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 29, 2010 at 7:58 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Zen Badger - August 29, 2010 at 9:47 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 8:06 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 29, 2010 at 8:47 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 29, 2010 at 10:06 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Disinter - August 29, 2010 at 10:16 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 29, 2010 at 10:46 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Zen Badger - August 30, 2010 at 9:51 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 10:14 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 29, 2010 at 10:20 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Disinter - August 29, 2010 at 9:29 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 30, 2010 at 11:44 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 10:26 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 29, 2010 at 10:35 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 10:45 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 29, 2010 at 10:52 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 10:58 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 29, 2010 at 11:05 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 11:15 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 29, 2010 at 11:25 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 29, 2010 at 11:23 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 11:32 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 29, 2010 at 11:34 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 11:42 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 29, 2010 at 1:58 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 29, 2010 at 2:04 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Minimalist - August 29, 2010 at 3:42 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by solja247 - August 30, 2010 at 12:10 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Minimalist - August 30, 2010 at 1:43 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Scarface - August 30, 2010 at 9:55 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 30, 2010 at 4:44 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Watson - August 30, 2010 at 5:05 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - August 31, 2010 at 6:36 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Disinter - August 31, 2010 at 7:09 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by solja247 - August 31, 2010 at 7:29 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Minimalist - August 31, 2010 at 7:40 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by solja247 - August 31, 2010 at 7:45 pm
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Captain Scarlet - September 2, 2010 at 11:50 am
RE: Evidence god does not exist - by Minimalist - August 31, 2010 at 7:47 pm

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