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Why are all Atheists Stalin loving, pinkos??
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RE: Why are all Atheists Stalin loving, pinkos??
(March 8, 2015 at 3:02 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Communism isn't a good idea that is ruined by people, it's just a bad idea. The fact that it doesn't take something obvious, like human's wanting to own stuff, in account is part of it being a bad idea.
No idea is inherently bad, all political ideologies have some good points IMO, including both fascism and communism.
Quote:I think its bigger failure is the fact that extorting from the productive in order to support the unproductive generates resentment in people who don't like having the fruits of their labor expropriated. The real failure, in other words, is that it removes the incentive to excel.
I don't think this is the reason. The reason it doesn't work is because it creates a fantasy super egalitarian society forgetting that inequalities are unavoidable, natural and even desirable; social class exists and it has always existed.

I don't think we should criticize because of excellence - The phrase "To each according to his own needs, to each according to his ability" (Marx) means that everyone gets a minimum but then you are rewarded if you possess a good skill or ability - The difference is that there are no social classes.

I'm not defending communism, but people criticize it for the bad reasons. The communist manifesto from Marx isn't even an utopia, utopian socialism was BEFORE Marx, after that it's labelled literally as scientific socialism. The manifesto tries to basically produce a set of values and principles to lead a society into communism and dismantle capitalism within limitations, it doesn't predict a perfect society and it doesn't promise everything will be a bed of roses.

I criticize Communism for being surrealistic, anti-meritocratic and overwhelmingly egalitarian. The way I see it, equal opportunities are desirable but not equal outcomes or the erasure of social class. Some people are born better than others, some are born in rich families, others are born disabled, some are born with conditions or diseases, some have better genes. There is no arithmetical equality, only reasonable equal chances within reality.

Another major flaw is the workers controlling the means of production. Bad idea, very bad idea.
Quote:And I agree, communism doesn't look good even on paper. I prefer to think of it as noble, but impractical.
It looks as good as fascism - Fascinating to study our past but not recommended for the future. I have read both the communist manifesto and the doctrine of fascism. Interesting read
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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RE: Why are all Atheists Stalin loving, pinkos?? - by Dystopia - March 8, 2015 at 7:50 pm

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