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RE: Is God really real or are people simply deluded?
March 14, 2015 at 12:41 pm (This post was last modified: March 14, 2015 at 12:43 pm by Godscreated.)
(March 13, 2015 at 2:25 am)Irrational Wrote:
(March 12, 2015 at 10:52 pm)Godschild Wrote:
You want honesty, here it is, God is real, He does exist there's no doubt, he proved to me He exists, His way for me.
What's the wrong with belief, how many scientist have used it to find truth. Since you seemed to have missed what I've explained several times on this forum, I'll do it again.
Faith is the first step, faith leads to belief and belief leads to knowledge, of coarse this takes some time, some trust and lots of prayer and involvement in God's work and you may have to ask several times and wait, but God will reveal himself to one when one's heart truly yearns for the knowledge. It's a process like other things in life.
GC
Faith does not answer the question. You can have faith in anything you want to have faith in, and then later say that you know this thing you have faith in exists.
Faith can answer the question, through faith a person can if they will continue to seek, find God is real through His personal revelation to them.
Quote:What I'm asking is an explanation on how you know God is real when you are unable, as a limited human being, to sense his existence empirically and logic does not lead to any definite inevitable conclusion that he exists.
Why did you ignore the process I showed, you stopped at faith when I said faith is the beginning place (though many stop there), from faith comes belief through scripture study and prayer, watching for God's actions around them. Then one can have the knowledge of God by asking Him, staying faithful, working for others, praying and ect. God in His wisdom will reveal to a sincere person He is real, that He exists, He will do it in His special way, different for each person. You want absolute proof without seeking it, why, scientist start a search for truth and begin with a faith in what they believe to be real, they seek and come to believe they are on the right track to finding it. Then one day because they continued in their search they find the truth, regardless of what they find they find the truth. You want physical proof from a spiritual world from a God who is spirit not flesh and blood, that want happen IMO, at least I've not encountered this through all the Christians I've talked with.
Quote:Let me put it another way. The Mormons know the Book of Mormon is true. Are they full of shit or what?
You ever read the Book of Mormons, try it even if it's only partial and then try to find any history that is in that book. If your search reveals real history, then maybe you can consider it real, good luck with that though. I'm not saying that the Bible is a history book, especially one that proves God, the Bible was never intended to be a history book. The Bible does reveal some history through the telling of a single people that God chose as His own.
GC
(March 13, 2015 at 1:40 pm)RobertE Wrote:
So, what you are saying is that God punished them in the same way that the Canaanites were doing to other people? If this is true, then it is truly despicable. There is no way on earth, not even a God (as religions like to point out that he is some sort of gentle figure) who would condone such behaviour. From what I can gather, those who have read the bible in its entirety and thus believe it and think God was right, instead of criticising him for his actions, which are borderline Hitler-esque; they praise him to the heavens. These very same people who love God in spite of what he has done, are the very same people who are the first to condemn the actions of a murderer and ask for a lethal injection or electric chair to do away with the murderous fiend. As I have stated many times before, as far as I'm concerned, God no longer exists since he is dead. I am also certain that he was in fact real, he had flesh, had blood running through his veins, and the only difference between himself and the townspeople was the fact that he may have had an education, which gave him a distinct advantage over those who were unlucky enough to not follow an education.
Is it possible that God was in fact the 'natural father', of Jesus, and once word got out, they worshipped him simply because he was the "son of God." Pretty much like Prince Charles is to the Queen. Going back to the education part, and mind control and manipulation, it is very possible. We don't even have to go far to see this. We can look at how Hamas treats its people by asking them to hide weapons wherever they are. Why? Simply because they are gullible, possibly never had access to any form of education since Islam is strict about women and education as we have seen with the Taliban. Why not another example in North Korea? They play in the recent World Cup, and I bet the leader of North Kim-Jong Un spread the rumour that they won the World Cup, and guess what, almost 100% would believe it as fact simply because of a lack of education, lack of access to resources, and constant brainwashing from generation to generation. Education is the key here to getting rid of religion.
RobertE, if this was intended for me let me know and I will answer.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
