(March 19, 2015 at 10:44 am)Riketto Wrote:I'm not saying people don't have NDE's. I'm saying the experience they're having are equivalent to hallucinations. You're the one who has to show there is more to their experience than a hallucination equivalent. Plus, you keep dodging the UFO topic. Do you believe the UFO abductees?(March 18, 2015 at 12:38 pm)Surgenator Wrote: And I have repeated multiple times that NDEs are not reliable evidence since they are based on testimonies. Just like you don't take the thousands of UFO abductee's testimonies as reliable evidence, no one should take NDE's testimonies seriously. People experiencing NDE's have NOT PROVEN THAT THOSE EXPERIENCES OCCURRED OUTSIDE THE BRAIN.You can keep on repeating more and more time that NDEs are not real.
That doesn't mean that you are correct.
Instead of repeating the same thing why don't you try to understand WHY the ex- atheists that had an NDE are now believer?
Quote:Who the fuck said anything about consciousness in the testicles? And the scientist are very confident that the mind generates consciousness that it is not part of their discussion. They're focusing on how.Quote:Your ASSERTING that the glands do "are delivering the thinking and the consciousness" NOT PROVING IT. Learn the difference.Garbage.
Point out the irony/hypocrisy of "i know because i rely on maths and science" to your earlier post even those who study physical science can not understand the real role." If you want to claim to be some genius that figured out something that all the other people who study it can't, by all means prove it to them. Until then, you're full of shit.
Scientists know very well that mind and consciousness generate in the upper part of the body not in the testicles.
All you can say is that scientists still do not know whether the mind generate consciousness or not but that is a different story.
Quote:The mind is as much of an abstraction as motion is. The level of abstraction you want to pose is unjustified.Quote:Wow, your thick. If your analogy is about how imaginary things don't actually exist, but god's imaginary things do. Then the analogy doesn't work.The mind is abstract despite your fail attempt to say that it is not abstract so even an hypothetical abstract God could exist.
It is obvious that until you don't make any attempt to have any interest in knowing God you will never perceive God within so it is natural that for you doesn't exist.
Quote:Its funny how you think throwing the term ex-atheist will make your argument more convincing. I disagree with other atheist on a whole lot of subjects, so disagreeing with an ex-atheist is even easier. Plus, where is my computer without any microprocessors?Quote:All the thousand testimonies doesn't prove anything about top - down design (see UFO explanation above). I want my computer without microprocessors! What is taking so long to produce it?Nobody will convince you.
Even the ex-atheists that after their NDE become believers.
You shouldn't waste your time talking about whether God exist or not.
It not your time surgen.
If you are happy as it is why worry?
Quote:Analogies are not evidence. The bullshit experiment you propose was not falsifiable. I'm asking for a falsifiable experiment.Quote:Your not answering the question. How is your view falsifiable? What experiment can I do where outcome X results that your view is wrong?I already did show you how but your mind didn't register.
Quote:Why aren't you answering the question: if popular, fanatical, opinion dictates truth why aren't you a muslim?Quote:So Islam is the correct religion because it is the second biggest and is "fanatical". So why aren't you a muslim?You come out with this theory so don't quote me that i think so.
Christianity and Islam are at two totally different stages.
Christianity reach the top of growth long time ago and now they are on a slow but constant fall in the abyss of nothingness while Islam is still strong and his due fall will come later on.
But considering that Islam medieval dogmas exist in more sophisticate time that the peak of Christianity exist than the fall will be a lot more destructive.
Quote:Thats funny coming from someone who can't prove his claims. And FYI, protons and neutrons are made out of quarks and gluons. Electrons and positrons are likely fundamental particles i.e. they are not made out of anything.Quote:Atoms will soon loose their importance.
In the near future people will care more about the smaller particles that compose the life in this universe like the microvita.
http://microvita.org/Quote:Pure unsupported, bathe-in-ignorance bullshit. This just shows how ignorant you are on what the physical world is and how it works.This garbage come from someone that give more importance to a science that still hasn't discovered what build the electrons the protons the neutrons and the positrons.
Sometime surgen you are very funny.
Quote:You're the one that doesn't understand discussions. You say one thing, I say your wrong because of X. You're suppose to reply with that is not valid because of Y, but instead you repeat your claim as if it had never been refuted.Quote:You know your answer is crap that is the reason you don't want to talk about it. You don't have a good reason for thinking the universe cares is your satisfied. You just want it to. So you jumped into a ridiculous religion so you can ignore reality.You are the typical stubborn child that when he doesn't like the answer keep on asking again and again the same question in the hope that the answer will suit him but life can be tough mate so the only way to deal with this tough world is to wake up and grow up.
Quote:You showed no such thing. You only assert it. Learn the difference.Quote:Your making less sense than previously. I didn't think it was possible, but you have have found a new low. Your statement has nothing to do with my previous response. Did your eyes glaze over as you stopped thinking and went with an arrogant statement? Typical pigeon tactic.I did show you that by not feeling any pain these guys can prove that this universal reality is not the real reality.
Quote:If this universe would be the real reality these guys would be subjects to these universal laws which are to feel pain when a knife penetrate the flesh.The universe is a lot more complex than your making it out to be. People killing off their nerve cells, ignoring pain receptors is not evidence for anything supernatural.