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New Testament arguments
RE: New Testament arguments
Quote:Fear of death isn't as hard to override as you seem to think. All it takes is the devaluing of one's existence. Constant struggle can do that easily.

Well, it's obviously not a normal, median state. And it depends on what struggle do you mean. If we're talking of a terminally ill patient or a deeply depressed person that may be it. But if we're talking about, say, people at war (that I've mentioned above) it's not a general rule. Even after months in wet, rat-infested trenches literaly filled with a smell of death people still wanted to live. And note that I don't as much mean some abstract fear death but more an almost animalistic fear of immediate death.
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