New Testament arguments

[Thumpalumpacus]

foxe's book of martyr's might be a good read for you then.

You clearly haven't faced death.

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By the way, you only don't fear death in four cases:
- you're so old that you don't really care any more

Well, I'm only 35, so that can't be it.

- you don't actually face it

I stared it down and welcomed it, so that can't be it.

- you're a fool

Despite my history of stupid decision making, I'm pretty sure that's not it.

- you're a fanatic or a berserk or otherwise brainwashed

Nope, nope, and nope, so that's not it, either.

Fear of death isn't as hard to override as you seem to think. All it takes is the devaluing of one's existence. Constant struggle can do that easily.

But what do I know. They tell me I'm mentally ill(probably another category for you).

There's actually another instance, as well: when you know that the lives of those you love, admire, and respect are in the balance.

There are some people in my life I will give my life for, and fearlessly -- my son, first and foremost.

Courage is often simply acting before thinking. That's as much as I know about the subject, too.

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Fear of death isn't as hard to override as you seem to think. All it takes is the devaluing of one's existence. Constant struggle can do that easily.

Well, it's obviously not a normal, median state. And it depends on what struggle do you mean. If we're talking of a terminally ill patient or a deeply depressed person that may be it. But if we're talking about, say, people at war (that I've mentioned above) it's not a general rule. Even after months in wet, rat-infested trenches literaly filled with a smell of death people still wanted to live. And note that I don't as much mean some abstract fear death but more an almost animalistic fear of immediate death.

And then, too, when you serve in a life-threatening situation with brothers who you love even as they annoy the living shit out of you, with whom you share cigarettes and secrets you haven't told your brother or girlfriend back home -- that is a powerful bond, and it can and does inspire self-sacrifice up to and including putting your ass on the line for them.

I was never a combat troop, but as a firefighter, I would have died before letting down my brother firefighters. I feared the shame of facing them after failing them more than I feared dying. And I've never been fond of the idea of dying.

Rhythm was infantry, if I'm not mistaken -- ask him, he'll tell you the same goddamned thing, I bet.

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Are you saying that soldiers that fought during world war 2 for example, were immoral? Because they would go against YOUR definition of being moral.

Sure, soldiers can be immoral. Even in WWII. Would you like a list of atrocities committed in that war?