RE: How to save your children from hell
March 26, 2015 at 2:14 pm
(This post was last modified: March 26, 2015 at 3:07 pm by urlawyer.)
(March 26, 2015 at 1:08 pm)Drich Wrote:(March 24, 2015 at 12:44 pm)Drich Wrote: 1) there are so many things wrong with this statement I don't know where to begin...
In your estimation when did God create Hell? Use Genesis and point to one of the seven days listed... Just about every single account of Hell shows it to be the absents of creation, the death of it, or the place where the created is destroyed.
(The grave, the pit, the lake of fire, eternal darkness.) to me hell seems to be the absence of creation, not part of it.
(March 24, 2015 at 1:50 pm)urlawyer Wrote: This I can agree with. God is depicted quite frequently doing loveless things. Like leveling whole cities and committing mass genocide.now youre getting it!
Not everyone wants to be loved by God.
You seem to have jumbled up yours and my statements here.
To your first quote, I said that it was a meaningless assertion since god still allows for there to be a hell.
And my first quote here was to you saying that the bible doesn't mention god is all-loving (to which I say bullshit since god IS love. 1 John 4:8)
Now that that's cleared up I'll respond to your new statement.
So you're saying that god did all those terrible acts because people didn't want to be loved by god so the only other option was to mercilessly destroy them all?
(March 26, 2015 at 1:08 pm)Drich Wrote:(March 24, 2015 at 12:44 pm)Drich Wrote: Third what makes you think we are all God's creation? The bible only ever says God created Adam, and from Adam God took a rib and then produced Eve, every other being after that was a reproduction of what God initially created.do you not know in this passage Job was speaking directly about Himself? The orginal intent of this passage was not to establish that everyone was purpose built by God.
Job 10:8-12
Your hands fashioned and made me, and now you have destroyed me altogether. Remember that you have made me like clay; and will you return me to the dust? Did you not pour me out like milk and curdle me like cheese? You clothed me with skin and flesh, and knit me together with bones and sinews. You have granted me life and steadfast love, and your care has preserved my spirit.
It's funny how you claim to know the original intent of those who wrote books thousands of years ago. Why does your own interpretation hold so much more water than the countless others?
(March 26, 2015 at 1:08 pm)Drich Wrote:So everyone born after Adam and Eve, god has no say in whether they're born or not?Quote:Ephesians 4:24because... We are REproductions of A&E, and they were literally fashioned by the Hand of God.
And to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.
(March 26, 2015 at 1:08 pm)Drich Wrote:But while he laments is he not talking about a god who has a say in such events?Quote:Psalms 22:9-10again see what I said about your passage in job. Here David is lementing in song about his recent sin with Bathsheba, not describing a God who hand makes everyone.
Yet you are he who took me from the womb; you made me trust you at my mother's breasts. On you was I cast from my birth, and from my mother's womb you have been my God.
(March 26, 2015 at 1:08 pm)Drich Wrote:Which is what I did, you just don't like my interpretation and application of them.Quote:These are only just a few.maybe this time list a few that supports exactly what you said.
(March 26, 2015 at 1:08 pm)Drich Wrote:Wow don't I feel lucky that god let me show how much of a jerk off I am to him instead of putting preventative plans in place.Quote:I would beg to differ. Because of god's plan, everything is laid out for us and no matter what, we're going to end up where we're going to end up. This life would then be a pointless "showing" that we're what God knew we were all along.maybe to God... But not to you.
(March 26, 2015 at 1:08 pm)Drich Wrote:(March 24, 2015 at 12:44 pm)Drich Wrote:Double indeed.Quote:That is four wrong statements for four charges stated. That's a new recordIndeed
It's funny how I can edit and type more accurately with two thumbs than you can with ten fingers on a computer.