RE: Be honest, am I going to hell for "my" atheism?
April 9, 2015 at 11:54 pm
(This post was last modified: April 10, 2015 at 12:00 am by Iroscato.)
(April 9, 2015 at 11:44 pm)Lek Wrote:(April 9, 2015 at 8:54 pm)Iroscato Wrote: Also, when did we suddenly decide that omnipotent can be equated with goodness? Power is known to corrupt, and absolute power...
Oh, but I suppose God is perfect and incorruptible, therefore the rules don't apply to him, never have and never will. And who was it who apparently told you of his perfection? Oh that's right! The big man himself! My, what an extraordinarily high opinion he has of himself! And he demands your complete and unyielding worship and adoration as well, otherwise he will send you to a place that is specifically designed to instill as much agony and fear in a human being is possible. And he could quite easily not BURN YOU FOR ETERNITY, but he does anyway, because...?
Oh that's it, because you refused the gift he offered you! You refused to have a relationship with him. Yes, yes of course. In your heretical employment of that pesky free will he programmed you with, you simply couldn't muster up the belief in his existence due to a laughable lack of actual empirical evidence. Therefore, you will BURN FOR ETERNITY.
Oh, but you should have known he existed! Look around you, can't you see the wonder of nature and the miracle of life? Yes, I do, and I am amazed by it. I do not require belief in a cloud-riding sky fairy to give substance to that amazement though. I see nothing that exists that could only have been designed.
I see global horrors playing out daily. I see suffering on a truly immense scale, and evil vested interests manipulating the world and its people. I see these horrors, and they reinforce themselves in my mind and fuse with the utter lack of evidence for a deity, and what emerges is a two-step atheistic chimaera.
1) There is no evidence for God.
2) If he does exist, he is wicked.
I may as well put that in my sig, I have a feeling I'm gonna be saying it a lot to an array of chucklefucks over the next few years...
First of all, I don't belief that the bible teaches that one's time in hell is eternal. And when I look at the world I do see it as evidence of a creator. Once science proves that everything came about without a creator or that everything just always existed, I'll re-examine my beliefs. I also believe that there is a purpose for everything that exists. When I see a human, I see something more than a walking and talking pile of dirt that is here by accident. As far as there being no evidence for God--it depends on what you consider to be evidence.
"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life"
Matthew 25:46
"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."
Jude 1:7
"“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."
Matthew 25:41
At least READ your magic recipe book before you cherry pick from it. Come on, you can do better than that. At least you say you will refute your beliefs once science figures out what makes the universe tick. It shows that your belief is already on fairly shaky ground, you just need a push to really sort your brain out

I also see more than that in humans and humankind. I see a mammal that is the result, but not the aim, of 3.5 billion years of evolution, who has a chance to discover the wonders of the universe, and understand its workings, all whilst helping the other members of its species live fuller and better lives.
Lek Wrote:According to your understanding of what we experience after death, we simply don't exist. There can be no feeling of peace or suffering or anything else. There is simply no awareness at all. We can't even comment on that state because none of us have experienced it.Right, exactly. None of us have experienced it. However, I am arguing that the sum total of all the research into the appropriate fields has led to the people leading it to come to the conclusion that existence without the brain is biologically impossible. Your brain is you. Without it, there is no more you.
Lek Wrote:I believe God is omnipotent because the bible says he is and I accept the bible as true in what it teaches about God.Why? What gives it any more credence than any other religious text published in the entire history of humankind? Why this particular lucky cult over all the others?
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