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Are Particles 'Physical Things' or 'Abstract Ideas'?
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RE: Are Particles 'Physical Things' or 'Abstract Ideas'?
Nice topic. I touch on that in my book in the making, but only to the extent that I raise the question and state that I don't dare try answering it. Quantum field theory (of which some of the people you cite weren't really expert because it was fully developed only later) has a very platonic feel to it. The abstract field is like a stencil from which all the particles of a given type derive their properties. Are Fields real? So many different aspects of them can be observed, they con for example have a constant value everywhere which influences particle masses, for example the condensates of the composite pion field and the Higgs field - they seem real and underlying everything. But they could be just an abstraction - what would be the difference. Isn't the criterion for being real that something presents a given set of phenomena? What is the criterion for reality of your choice, can you elucidate?

Now whether particles are real appears to me to be a silly question since particle is a name given to an empirical phenomenon. Hold your photo plate up, and it goes popp and at one spot you got a hit. Bubble chambers show tracks. If particles aren't real, by the same criteria nothing we usually call reality satisfies the conditions for "real" and we become solipsists.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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RE: Are Particles 'Physical Things' or 'Abstract Ideas'? - by Alex K - April 12, 2015 at 6:03 pm

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