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Are Particles 'Physical Things' or 'Abstract Ideas'?
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RE: Are Particles 'Physical Things' or 'Abstract Ideas'?
(April 12, 2015 at 4:29 pm)Nestor Wrote:

the very notion of discrete objects (particles) that behave like waves and display non-local effects is utterly abstruse and incompatible with everything we directly perceive or are even able to picture when dealing with physical things.

So, what is a particle, or a field, or a wave-function, or a probability-function, or 'collapse,' etc.? Are these representative of real things, or are they merely mental constructs that we find useful in describing our experiences?

Fortunately, in interactions with me, they have been shown to be very consistent repeatable mental constructs.  This satisfies my criteria of what is real.  What makes them suspect is that they don't conform to the parochial intuitions we have, a product of our evolutionary heritage, of what an object should be like.  Observation has expanded it's purview beyond the senses with which we are naturally endowed. In the dawning realization that, by any reasonable definition, I am not the center of creation, nor is Earth the center of the universe, there should be the humble acceptance that what is observed can be surprising and counterintuitive.  If past experience is any guide, the universe is not just weirder than we imagine, it is weirder than we can imagine.  Math has been shown a useful tool to describe the non-intuitive, yet consistent characteristics of observed 'reality.'  It is a statement of faith to believe that all unknowns will succumb to mathematical description but, at the moment, it's the best we have.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? Huh
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RE: Are Particles 'Physical Things' or 'Abstract Ideas'? - by JuliaL - April 12, 2015 at 10:43 pm

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