RE: Abortion based on disability is eugenics - Here's why
April 13, 2015 at 10:30 am
(This post was last modified: April 13, 2015 at 10:33 am by Dystopia.)
(April 13, 2015 at 10:28 am)dyresand Wrote: But what if the child at hand or well fetus i should say, quality of life is well not great.. not saying its right or wrong i am trying to stay neutral.
Also all in all abortion is a lady thing, if she want's to have a abortion for this reason as listed above and she has a partner too that want's the same
it would be their own morals at that point.
I don't want people to stop advocating what they believe and if you have proof quality of life will suck you can do it if you wish - You simply don't get to say it's not motivated by eugenic thinking of what you consider to the best for people.
(April 13, 2015 at 10:30 am)Alex K Wrote:I don't see the connection so please explain your analogy.(April 13, 2015 at 10:28 am)Dystopia Wrote: Did you actually read the whole OP or just decided to troll a little? This has exactly zero relevance to the topic at hand. I'm talking about our perceptions on desirable and undesirable traits for individuals in our society, and not what we want as a partner because you can find pretty much all combinations of two or more partners.
I explained the most simple definition of eugenics. It is wanting a higher prevalence of individuals with traits the proposer of the idea sees as more desirable (usually ability, intelligence, strength and in the case of Hitler race) - The degree to what it is done varies a lot and so do methods.
Yes I read your whole OP, and I don't see that that is the point you are making. You have extended the definition of eugenics beyond the case that someone knowingly wants to optimize the gene pool of a population. Once you extend your definition beyond that to "choosing which embryos not to abort for personal reasons", I don't see that much of a difference any more to choosing a partner according to your preferences, which is selective breeding.
I have not extended the definition anymore than racism isn't merely supremacism or white nationalism but also holding prejudices that we aren't conscious about. Selective breeding has nothing to do with the OP because even selective breeding can lead to a disabled fetus. My whole point is that aborting solely due to disability is pretty much a small form of eugenics that goes unnoticed and there's no reason to consider it is not. Do you want to actually refute the point? Do you also believe that racism (using the analogy) is merely supremacism? Do you think it's always eugenic to advocate superiority of some traits consciously or can we subconsciously believe that?
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