RE: Long term Nihilists
April 13, 2015 at 10:52 pm
(This post was last modified: April 13, 2015 at 10:53 pm by Mystic.)
When I was an Atheist for that horrible week I was, it seemed to me that value and praise and the worth of humans developed in us along with magical thinking. Our very concept of ourselves, by praising each other, and giving worth, seemed to developed through evolution...but what makes it true? It seemed to me to be totally baseless, those who felt more worth survived more and flourished more, and so our concept of value to ourselves grew a long with beliefs in spirit and gods.
The other problem I found is what degree of value should I attribute to myself. How much should I care about myself. How much should I value honor and praise. It seemed totally arbitrary. Sure I can chose whatever degree I am going to value to some extent, but it really takes a belief that that I should value to that extent and that takes belief in objective value.
I took the example of the night of qadr in Islam. Before being a deist and an Atheist for that week, I was Muslim, and believe the night of qadr was worth a thousand months. Now I can't while not believing Islam value the night of qadr as worth of a 1000 months without belief.
In the same way, the degree of value comes from belief in what value we have. But that says we do have an objective value or at least we believe that. The only thing is with belief in God it seems there is a higher purpose, a higher origin, a link to spiritual light...higher beauty, higher value.
Naturally the path of God and command of God in our nature, it holds a very high value, by the nature of who it's linked to. Life seems to have far more higher purpose.
In both we can make purpose for ourselves, but one seems to have value based on link to ultimate value while the other one developed by survival of the fittest and a concept with no reality behind but our very belief in it...which doesn't seem to be a strong foundation.
Then without soul, we just simply go with our emotions. But what if our thoughts and emotions are low. What if we feel down. What if we feel things are not worth it. Is then the measure we put the true value of it?
We can assign whatever meaning and value we want to life, but I think underlying it all, we believe in a objective value to make meaning to it.
The other problem I found is what degree of value should I attribute to myself. How much should I care about myself. How much should I value honor and praise. It seemed totally arbitrary. Sure I can chose whatever degree I am going to value to some extent, but it really takes a belief that that I should value to that extent and that takes belief in objective value.
I took the example of the night of qadr in Islam. Before being a deist and an Atheist for that week, I was Muslim, and believe the night of qadr was worth a thousand months. Now I can't while not believing Islam value the night of qadr as worth of a 1000 months without belief.
In the same way, the degree of value comes from belief in what value we have. But that says we do have an objective value or at least we believe that. The only thing is with belief in God it seems there is a higher purpose, a higher origin, a link to spiritual light...higher beauty, higher value.
Naturally the path of God and command of God in our nature, it holds a very high value, by the nature of who it's linked to. Life seems to have far more higher purpose.
In both we can make purpose for ourselves, but one seems to have value based on link to ultimate value while the other one developed by survival of the fittest and a concept with no reality behind but our very belief in it...which doesn't seem to be a strong foundation.
Then without soul, we just simply go with our emotions. But what if our thoughts and emotions are low. What if we feel down. What if we feel things are not worth it. Is then the measure we put the true value of it?
We can assign whatever meaning and value we want to life, but I think underlying it all, we believe in a objective value to make meaning to it.
