RE: JW looking for clarity
April 17, 2015 at 2:41 am
(This post was last modified: April 17, 2015 at 2:54 am by Alex K.)
Hello and welcome, nice to have you here!
Concerning what you write -
I'm sure Matt D. meant that according to some basic moral principles many of us today share including most believers, he (along with most people) are more moral than God. Now, one can possibly argue that there is then a moral best on this reference axis, but by analogy with mathematics, this need not be so. But even if I agree to that for the sake of argument, it does neither follow that morality is absolute, or that any being actually reaches this maximum. This reference frame of morality we start with here may partly be a cultural accident, but surely much of it is determined by the fact that we are all humans, most capable of empathy.From this, what you claim does not follow.
Indeed, the argument from physics, that Energy cannot be created or destroyed, is not by default applicable to the universe as a whole, only to fields and particles within the universe. One cannot use it to argue for a creator for a universe. It doesn't even make sense to talk about creating or destroying if there is no time line as a reference on which temporal processes are defined.
Also, I hate agreeing with woodie, but sure, I can imagine a few more time dimensions on which a godhead could run. I just wonder why that would change anything in favor of its existence...
WLC? Ugh. He's not a honest thinker, he's in a propaganda war.
Cheers
p.s. you all should reconsider this blood transfusion thing, that's fucked up and useless.
Concerning what you write -
I'm sure Matt D. meant that according to some basic moral principles many of us today share including most believers, he (along with most people) are more moral than God. Now, one can possibly argue that there is then a moral best on this reference axis, but by analogy with mathematics, this need not be so. But even if I agree to that for the sake of argument, it does neither follow that morality is absolute, or that any being actually reaches this maximum. This reference frame of morality we start with here may partly be a cultural accident, but surely much of it is determined by the fact that we are all humans, most capable of empathy.From this, what you claim does not follow.
Indeed, the argument from physics, that Energy cannot be created or destroyed, is not by default applicable to the universe as a whole, only to fields and particles within the universe. One cannot use it to argue for a creator for a universe. It doesn't even make sense to talk about creating or destroying if there is no time line as a reference on which temporal processes are defined.
Also, I hate agreeing with woodie, but sure, I can imagine a few more time dimensions on which a godhead could run. I just wonder why that would change anything in favor of its existence...
WLC? Ugh. He's not a honest thinker, he's in a propaganda war.
Cheers
p.s. you all should reconsider this blood transfusion thing, that's fucked up and useless.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
