(April 17, 2015 at 10:21 am)nicanica123 Wrote: Thanks for all the replies on the other thread I started. One poster recommended that maybe I start with just 1 point and go from there. The following is what rattles through my brain. Please remember that I'm not debating I'm sharing my thoughts...
The argument against god that there is no proof
My few thoughts on this are as follows, 1. Why would this almighty god be subjected to what a human demands as proof? 2. Does gods creation not make him apparent? 3. If god popped up one day to make himself readily known as existing, would all people serve him any way? 4. If gods purpose as I have been taught, is that one day the earth will be a paradise like state with no evil. Back to its original Eden conditions. Proving that Satan, Adam, and Eve were wrong to reject gods sovereignty and humans are not capable of ruling themselves... how would it serve his purpose if people worshipped him out of fear of him killing them rather than from their hearts?
I know the last one will get a lot of flack
4) The idea that people will only follow God out of fear or reward, I think, is just anti-authoritarians projecting their mindsets onto others.
3) I think a lot more people would be into God if It's existence was known to be true.
2) People have been finding a variety of God's and ideas apparent for a long time. Until it was apparent they weren't. I think we've reached the point where the unknown, to some extent, no longer demands an explanation, because we've seen so much unknown throughout history, and it almost always turns out to be explainable by something rather than God.
1) This goes with 3. If you want humans to behave a certain way, setting up a scenario where a lot of them don't think you're real isn't a great strategy. It's not about God subjecting himself, it's about God getting what he wants out of his creation. God would know how our brains are going to work, and I'd think God would plan accordingly. We're a little dopey, and need some hand holding on some things.
