I haven't read through this thread so apologies if I'm reiterating things that have already come up.
It's not the god itself that I, for one, am asking to prove itself. Rather, it's whatever the believer's claiming about that god for which I'd like evidence. Expecting proof from a god we haven't even established yet is putting the cart before the horse - we haven't even agreed there is a cart.
No more than it does Allah, or Huracán, or Ceiling Cat. Again, you are presupposing the 'creation' as something attributed to the god you already believe exists, before you have even attempted to establish that god as a fact. It's palming the god card and easily spotted.
Well, that would go a long way to showing that this god is a genuine entity, wouldn't it? As far as people serving it:
a) that would depend on them and whatever predisposition they may already have to falling on their knees to worship a celestial dictator; and
b) is servitude a prerequisite to godly manifestation?
Is this any different to people worshipping out of fear of punishment for not doing it?
Please - unless you intend Killing Me Softly with musical references from the seventies, the word you want is "flak".
(April 17, 2015 at 10:21 am)nicanica123 Wrote: 1. Why would this almighty god be subjected to what a human demands as proof?
It's not the god itself that I, for one, am asking to prove itself. Rather, it's whatever the believer's claiming about that god for which I'd like evidence. Expecting proof from a god we haven't even established yet is putting the cart before the horse - we haven't even agreed there is a cart.
(April 17, 2015 at 10:21 am)nicanica123 Wrote: 2. Does gods creation not make him apparent?
No more than it does Allah, or Huracán, or Ceiling Cat. Again, you are presupposing the 'creation' as something attributed to the god you already believe exists, before you have even attempted to establish that god as a fact. It's palming the god card and easily spotted.
(April 17, 2015 at 10:21 am)nicanica123 Wrote: 3. If god popped up one day to make himself readily known as existing, would all people serve him any way?
Well, that would go a long way to showing that this god is a genuine entity, wouldn't it? As far as people serving it:
a) that would depend on them and whatever predisposition they may already have to falling on their knees to worship a celestial dictator; and
b) is servitude a prerequisite to godly manifestation?
(April 17, 2015 at 10:21 am)nicanica123 Wrote: 4. If gods purpose as I have been taught, is that one day the earth will be a paradise like state with no evil. Back to its original Eden conditions. Proving that Satan, Adam, and Eve were wrong to reject gods sovereignty and humans are not capable of ruling themselves... how would it serve his purpose if people worshipped him out of fear of him killing them rather than from their hearts?
Is this any different to people worshipping out of fear of punishment for not doing it?
(April 17, 2015 at 10:21 am)nicanica123 Wrote: I know the last one will get a lot of flack
Please - unless you intend Killing Me Softly with musical references from the seventies, the word you want is "flak".
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
