Argument for a Beginningless Existence

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I don't wish to stamp all over discussion, but it's my opinion that applying standard thinking techniques is going to fail hard when we approach the extremes of the universe. All of science has come up against a hard barrier, and trying to waltz through it with a pipe in your mouth is definitely fun, but in the end it's just speculation. By all means go ahead, but I'm just noting that I don't see anything real that can possibly be gained through such discussion.

Reality is complicated, and if we don't have something we can get our grubby mits on, we have no way of knowing if we've run a marathon in the right or wrong direction.