RE: JW looking clarity followup
April 18, 2015 at 7:27 am
(This post was last modified: April 18, 2015 at 7:33 am by Tonus.)
(April 17, 2015 at 6:56 pm)nicanica123 Wrote: I do find it interesting that most people here say they would not serve god of the bible even if he proved his existence.As I pointed out in my reply, there is precedent for it. The Bible speaks of many people that rejected god even though they believed that he existed. Satan. Adam and Eve. A great number of the Israelites. Many of the people of Jesus' time, including the priests and one of his own disciples. They all found god sufficiently underwhelming that they were able to make the decision to turn from him, even knowing that the stakes were very dire.
Doesn't that make you think? How unimpressive must god have seemed to them, that they preferred death or eternal torment versus living forever on earth or in heaven?
(April 17, 2015 at 7:50 pm)nicanica123 Wrote:You are aware of the policy of the Jehovah's Witnesses when it comes to 'allowing people to have beliefs that they don't agree with'? Does the name Raymond Franz ring a bell? Just visiting a forum such as this one could lead to your being disfellowshipped and shunned by the membership, up to and including your immediate family depending on the circumstances. Think about how you are taught to react when, during one of your door-to-door visits, the person begins to discuss his or her own beliefs or challenges yours.(April 17, 2015 at 7:18 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Too few of humans these days allow people to have beliefs that they don't agree with. Thats why people are becoming more polarized in their beliefs. You can see the proof in demographics, red districts become redder, blue become bluer. My point is, Discussing beliefs with people in a calm respectful way is upbuilding to humanity
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
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