Do you believe in free will?

[theVOID]

Yeah it's strange isn't it that computers were created by intelligent beings and according to you the human brain was created by pure intelligence and yet the brain far exceeds any technology or human invention ever intelligently designed.

No, we simply mimmiced abilities we posessed using mechanics, creating devices that operate very differently. Machines have their strengths, arithmatically especially they exceed our ability by an incredible ammount, but they are less powerful than the total processing capacity of our brains - hardly surprising when you consider the total functions to be regulated by the brain are many times greater than the functions CPUs are required to handle.

If i were to create a mind i would almost certainly give it the ability to do fast and reliable computations, something that our so called "intelligently designed" brains do not really do, suspicious is it not?

But if the brain was not the act of intelligence what reason do we have for trusting it?

Hate to burst your fucking bubble mate, but our brains are regularly unreliable. The only reassurances we really have about our perception of reality is from the construction of reliable methods to test and verify our assumptions. It is through this verification of our perception using independently testable mechanisms that we build confidence in our ability to understand reality, an understanding that is no longer at the face value level of your wizardry, but a deep understanding about a very complex and non-intuitive universe.

And I mean if we don't really have free will and our brains were created by unintelligence and we are not really guided by intelligence we are simply being controlled by deterministic natural laws I just don't see why we should trust anything.

Um, but if everything works accoring to physical law then our ability to have confidence in the nature of this system can only increase - If there is a wizzard who can do whatever the fuck he wants whenever the fuck he wants however, I would be far more suspcious of our ability to trust our models of reality.

And do you really think asserting free will is going to get you anywhere? If it was as simple as you seem to think it is do you really think this debate would have been going on for millenia as it has? The simple fact of this discussion is that from a practical aspect (our ability to verify or falsify) there is no difference between the free will or the lack there of.