Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: February 13, 2025, 2:31 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Define Marriage
#11
RE: Define Marriage
(April 19, 2015 at 5:50 pm)Mezmo! Wrote: Now that the word marriage has been changed from the legal and sacred union of one man and one woman what DOES it mean? What are the boundaries that distinguish it from other contractual arrangements, social obligations, and familial relationships?

What it has meant since people started getting married, a legally recognized sexual relationship between two people which grants those two people certain rights and obligations.  Whether there is any sacred component has varied widely with time and place.  So has whether the relationship is lifelong or, has involved more than one spouse, etc.

Here in Oregon marriage: 1) annuls all previous wills and gives the spouses inheritance rights in each others property; 2) changes one's income taxes; 3) makes one jointly responsible financially for one's spouse; 4) allows for certain medical decisions to be made for each other in the case that one partner is incapacitated; 5)  causes an irrebuttable presumption that all children born during the marriage are the children of both spouses; 6) prevents spouses from alienating real property without the consent of the other spouse;  7) allows the spouses to hold property as joint tenants by the entirety; 8) may allow spouses to be insured through their spouses employers .  I'm sure I'm forgetting a few. 

Some but not all of those rights could be contracted separately without marriage.  But some, like the irrebuttable presumption regarding children born in wedlock, the right to own property as tenants by the entirety, change in tax status, or the inability to alienate real property cannot.  Unlike a business partnership there are laws regarding the break-up of the marriage that require division of property according to need as well as contract.   I can't see how same sex marriage would change any of those things. 

The law does not include a sacred component.  For that you need a religion.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god.  If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Define Marriage - by Neo-Scholastic - April 19, 2015 at 5:50 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Regina - April 19, 2015 at 5:52 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Grandizer - April 19, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Pyrrho - April 19, 2015 at 5:56 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by robvalue - April 19, 2015 at 5:56 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by *Deidre* - April 19, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by pocaracas - April 19, 2015 at 6:04 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Cato - April 19, 2015 at 6:13 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Regina - April 19, 2015 at 6:46 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by cocunningham - April 19, 2015 at 10:52 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Esquilax - April 20, 2015 at 12:33 am
RE: Define Marriage - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 19, 2015 at 6:21 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Minimalist - April 19, 2015 at 6:23 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Jenny A - April 19, 2015 at 6:36 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Nope - April 19, 2015 at 6:47 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Regina - April 19, 2015 at 6:50 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by *Deidre* - April 19, 2015 at 6:53 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Esquilax - April 19, 2015 at 6:54 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by vorlon13 - April 19, 2015 at 6:59 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Iroscato - April 19, 2015 at 7:01 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Faith No More - April 19, 2015 at 7:03 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Mr.wizard - April 19, 2015 at 7:07 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by *Deidre* - April 19, 2015 at 8:07 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Brian37 - April 19, 2015 at 8:14 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by robvalue - April 19, 2015 at 8:16 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by *Deidre* - April 19, 2015 at 9:08 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Minimalist - April 19, 2015 at 10:01 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Silver - April 19, 2015 at 10:05 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Jackalope - April 19, 2015 at 10:08 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Minimalist - April 19, 2015 at 10:23 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Jackalope - April 19, 2015 at 10:28 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Chad32 - April 19, 2015 at 10:54 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Silver - April 19, 2015 at 10:55 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by CapnAwesome - April 19, 2015 at 10:57 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Anomalocaris - April 19, 2015 at 11:03 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by CapnAwesome - April 19, 2015 at 11:04 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Minimalist - April 19, 2015 at 11:36 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Longhorn - April 20, 2015 at 1:19 am
RE: Define Marriage - by Minimalist - April 20, 2015 at 1:24 am
RE: Define Marriage - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 20, 2015 at 3:13 am
RE: Define Marriage - by bennyboy - April 20, 2015 at 6:44 am
RE: Define Marriage - by robvalue - April 20, 2015 at 8:46 am
RE: Define Marriage - by Mudhammam - April 20, 2015 at 8:58 am
RE: Define Marriage - by pocaracas - April 20, 2015 at 9:02 am
RE: Define Marriage - by Mudhammam - April 20, 2015 at 9:08 am
RE: Define Marriage - by Nope - April 20, 2015 at 9:16 am
RE: Define Marriage - by robvalue - April 20, 2015 at 9:09 am
RE: Define Marriage - by pocaracas - April 20, 2015 at 9:19 am
RE: Define Marriage - by Longhorn - April 20, 2015 at 9:25 am
RE: Define Marriage - by pocaracas - April 20, 2015 at 9:31 am
RE: Define Marriage - by Longhorn - April 20, 2015 at 9:37 am
RE: Define Marriage - by pocaracas - April 20, 2015 at 9:48 am
RE: Define Marriage - by Longhorn - April 20, 2015 at 9:54 am
RE: Define Marriage - by robvalue - April 20, 2015 at 9:49 am
RE: Define Marriage - by Hatshepsut - April 20, 2015 at 10:26 am
RE: Define Marriage - by FatAndFaithless - April 20, 2015 at 10:28 am
RE: Define Marriage - by rexbeccarox - April 20, 2015 at 10:31 am
RE: Define Marriage - by Hatshepsut - April 20, 2015 at 12:45 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Neo-Scholastic - April 20, 2015 at 12:56 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Longhorn - April 20, 2015 at 1:30 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Pyrrho - April 20, 2015 at 2:01 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Faith No More - April 20, 2015 at 2:58 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by rexbeccarox - April 20, 2015 at 1:09 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by robvalue - April 20, 2015 at 1:34 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by robvalue - April 20, 2015 at 2:02 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Pyrrho - April 20, 2015 at 2:13 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by robvalue - April 20, 2015 at 2:17 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Pyrrho - April 20, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by robvalue - April 20, 2015 at 2:28 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Neo-Scholastic - April 20, 2015 at 2:50 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by *Deidre* - April 20, 2015 at 2:52 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Longhorn - April 20, 2015 at 2:56 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Brakeman - April 20, 2015 at 6:56 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Pyrrho - April 20, 2015 at 11:08 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Nope - April 20, 2015 at 11:22 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Cato - April 21, 2015 at 7:43 am
RE: Define Marriage - by Hatshepsut - April 21, 2015 at 1:45 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Thumpalumpacus - May 16, 2015 at 1:14 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Nope - May 17, 2015 at 6:42 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Pyrrho - May 17, 2015 at 9:12 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 18, 2015 at 3:29 am
RE: Define Marriage - by abentwookie - May 18, 2015 at 1:50 am
RE: Define Marriage - by robvalue - April 20, 2015 at 2:53 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Mudhammam - April 20, 2015 at 3:03 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Hatshepsut - April 20, 2015 at 6:07 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by robvalue - April 20, 2015 at 3:06 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Iroscato - April 20, 2015 at 3:10 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by robvalue - April 20, 2015 at 3:17 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Minimalist - April 20, 2015 at 6:17 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Nope - April 20, 2015 at 8:11 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by robvalue - April 20, 2015 at 10:10 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Silver - April 20, 2015 at 11:14 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Polaris - April 20, 2015 at 11:24 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Kitty Galore - April 21, 2015 at 1:10 am
RE: Define Marriage - by robvalue - April 21, 2015 at 1:19 am
RE: Define Marriage - by Kitty Galore - April 21, 2015 at 3:21 am
RE: Define Marriage - by Nope - April 21, 2015 at 7:09 am
RE: Define Marriage - by Pyrrho - April 21, 2015 at 5:41 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by robvalue - April 21, 2015 at 7:26 am
RE: Define Marriage - by robvalue - April 22, 2015 at 1:51 am
RE: Define Marriage - by Silver - April 22, 2015 at 2:00 am
RE: Define Marriage - by Hatshepsut - April 22, 2015 at 8:35 am
RE: Define Marriage - by robvalue - April 22, 2015 at 2:03 am
Define Marriage - by ajarnfalang - April 22, 2015 at 11:09 am
RE: Define Marriage - by Pyrrho - May 16, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Whateverist - May 16, 2015 at 1:33 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by dyresand - May 16, 2015 at 7:03 pm
RE: Define Marriage - by Whateverist - May 18, 2015 at 1:54 am
RE: Define Marriage - by robvalue - May 18, 2015 at 12:51 am
RE: Define Marriage - by Silver - May 18, 2015 at 1:57 am
RE: Define Marriage - by robvalue - May 18, 2015 at 2:33 am
RE: Define Marriage - by Silver - May 18, 2015 at 2:35 am
RE: Define Marriage - by robvalue - May 18, 2015 at 2:40 am
RE: Define Marriage - by Pyrrho - May 18, 2015 at 9:12 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Gay couples denied full marriage benefits in Texas Aoi Magi 18 3340 December 8, 2017 at 4:12 am
Last Post: Fake Messiah
  Here they go again: Christians bash on marriage Fake Messiah 39 7993 September 2, 2017 at 3:15 pm
Last Post: drfuzzy
  Taiwan is the first Asian country to legalize gay marriage Silver 10 5291 May 24, 2017 at 9:05 pm
Last Post: The Valkyrie
  Clerk Defies Supreme Court, Refuses Gay Marriage Licenses MTL 549 112955 November 11, 2015 at 5:47 pm
Last Post: Pat Mustard
  Supreme Court Same Sex Marriage Argumet Anima 1147 202302 September 21, 2015 at 12:25 pm
Last Post: TheRocketSurgeon
  MARRIAGE EQUALITY NATIONWIDE TheRealJoeFish 540 80020 August 16, 2015 at 12:01 pm
Last Post: LastPoet
  Real world cost of same-sex marriage Athene 16 6490 August 3, 2015 at 2:14 pm
Last Post: robvalue
  O'Reilly - Will Gay Marriage take Church tax exemption away? Easy Guns 12 2976 July 1, 2015 at 10:00 pm
Last Post: Dystopia
  Fuck you theists and your "it's a sin" bullshit. Gay marriage is LEGAL Silver 2 2044 June 29, 2015 at 9:08 pm
Last Post: Regina
  When did Christianity buy marriage? Easy Guns 27 4425 June 29, 2015 at 3:24 pm
Last Post: gindygoo



Users browsing this thread: 6 Guest(s)