(April 20, 2015 at 11:29 am)nicanica123 Wrote: I feel about this the same I feel about the trinity. There are scriptures that you could read that seem to make Jesus and God the same being, but if you add up all the scriptures that clearly differentiate the two then it can be reasonably assumed that the other scriptures are figures of speech. The same is true with this account. It could be construed as an allusion to hell. The greek word that was translated hell was also used in Revelation 20 when it was prophesied that it would be cast into the lake of fire. So why would the eternal torment be cast into the eternal torment? It being an illustration is the only logical conclusion. Also, I believe that the word hell is more likely referring to the grave of man. Much like the word Sheol in hebrew
1. Can you read Greek nicanica123?
2. Jesus and God are not the same being. So explain this then, and just for you I'll quote from the NWT:
Genesis 1:17: When Abraham got to be ninety-nine years old, then Jehovah appeared to Abraham and said to him "I am God Almighty. Walk before me and prove yourself faultless.
Isaiah 13:6: "Howl, YOU people, for the day of Jehovah is near! As a despoiling from the Almighty it will come.
Revelation 1:8: "I am Alpha and Omega," says Jehovah God, "the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty."
Revelation 4:8b: "Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah God, the Almighty, who was and who is and who is coming."
Revelation 11:17: "We thank you, Jehovah God, the Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and begun ruling as king.
Revelation 22:12-13: "Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to render to each one as his work is. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
Isaiah 44:6: "This is what Jehovah has said, the King of Israel and the Repurchaser of him, Jehovah of armies, 'I am the first and the last, and besides me there is no God.'
According to those verses, Jehovah is the "first and the last", the "the Almighty", "who was and who is and who is to be", "the alpha and the omega", and "the beginning and the end".
But according to these passages Jesus is the First and the Last:
Revelation 1:17b-18: And he laid his right hand upon me and said: "Do not be fearful.. I am the First and the Last, and the living one; and I became dead, but, looik! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and Hades.
Revelation 2:8: "And to the angel of the congregation in Smyrna write: These are the things that he says, 'the First and the Last,' who became dead and came to life [again].
So then who is the First and the Last? Is it Jesus (as in Revelation 1:17 and 2:8) or is it Jehovah (as in Isaiah 41:4, 44:6, 48:12, and Revelation 22:12-13)?
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"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke