JW looking clarity followup

[Won2blv]

No, I don't speak greek but I can read the Kingdom Interlinear and compare the greek words in those scriptures. As far as those scriptures, I do believe that you can find scriptures to make an argument for the trinity. But, when I read scriptures like when Jesus was called good teacher and he said, "no one is good but the father" or when God from heaven said, "this is my son, the approved..." I just can't but assume they're two separate beings. I can use a puzzle piece to try and figure out what the puzzle is going to look like and I could be right. But it would take all the pieces to truly know what the picture will be

Well then, if you can't read Greek then you can't tell me what what is and isn't a Greek "figure of speech", at least not without evidence. Again, all the parables in the Bible - all of them - take place in a real physical location. So Jesus must have believed Hell to be a literal place otherwise why would he use it as a setting for his parable?

You didn't answer my question - who is the "First and the Last"? If it is Jehovah then what business is it of Jesus to call himself by Jehovah's title?

It puzzles me that you ignore the book of Revelation that makes it abundantly clear that the first-century author sees Jesus as deity and equates him with Jehovah. That comes right out of your Bible. Jesus saying people go to hell after death also comes straight out of your Bible. Nevermind the fact that no other denomination will touch the NWT for being translated by biased translators.

You also ignored my earlier questions, so I'll repeat them.

1. Why would this almighty god be subjected to what a human demands as proof?

Because he DOES prove himself several times according to the Old Testament, and according to the New Testament when Jesus appears before doubting Thomas. The problem is that what constituted as proof in the first century no longer constitutes as proof; after all the first century Jews and Christians believed that diseases were caused by daemons and other demonic forces. They didn't know about psychology, they didn't know that some illnesses affect cogitative processes and manifest themselves as mental diseases.

2. Does gods creation not make him apparent?

No it doesn't because: a. Why are there diseases that target children? b. Why did he create Onchocerca volvulus and other parasitic worms? Why did he tell Adam and Eve they could "eat from any tree" (except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil) when in fact many tress produce fruit that is deadly to humans? And furthermore why did he create fruits, vegetables, other plants, fungus's, and other life forms that are deadly to humans?

Ok sure, I can't read greek. But I have done research and found other non jw sources that come to the same conclusion. Again, because it was part of the parable as a place doesn't confirm he meant it to be a literal place. I go back to the fact that he didn't think a camel could actually walk through the eye of a needle or that you could have a rafter sticking out of your own eye.

As far as the first and last. I do find this interesting and I'm doing more research. Right of the bat, it is possible to me that such an appellation does not need to be uniquely for one being. As an example, the term "greatest of all time." You could say Muhammed Ali was the greatest of all time in boxing and Jack Nicklaus was the greatest of all time in golf. Exact same appellation and they could both be true. But that doesn't equate the two as being one. So, is this answer to this? I don't know... Is a better example, Muhammed Ali is the greatest of all time and Casious Clay (I think I spelled that wrong) is the greatest off all time. Same person, just different names from different eras. So I ask you, if god said, "this is my son..." or Jesus said, "i am not good, no one is good but the father in heaven" doesn't this seem to imply two separate beings? And wouldn't it make sense that there could be an alternate meaning to both being referred to as the first and last?

Your questions...


1. God making himself apparent in the past still doesn't demand that he owes it to humans today. I think you could further into this but that basically as simple as it gets. 

2. I was actually not saying this as an argument for the existence of god. It is a circular argument. It is just something that I observe that makes me wonder. I know there is a natural explanation of how things could have come about but thats why I'm on this forum. I want clarity. I want to feel confident in whatever I believe. 

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Surprise surprise! None of those links are peer reviewed articles posted in a scientific journal!

You're right, but they are from respectable sources. I didn't pull them from bloodisbad.org or some kind of biased site. It is established that overall, its better if blood does not need to be transfused.

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Door-knocking isn't trespassing, I don't even know why you idiots are bickering about that.

I've read contradictory things about trespassing laws in NH.  In some resources, it's written that any unwanted/approved presence on private property is trespassing.  In other resources, that it's trespassing only if the offending party doesn't leave when asked.  Regardless, the Supreme Court ruling nic referenced only says that JWs don't need a special permit to go door-to-door.

And, IMO, door-to-door anything should be considered trespassing.  We live in the 21st century, with more knowledge of our fingertips than ever before.  If your mythology can't entice people in that environment, coming to their houses and interrupting their day won't do it.

I think you're right. I know where I live, the private property definitions are different than NH. Basically, you can go to someones front door but if you walk anywhere else on their property you're trespassing. But still, generally you need a "no trespassing" or a sign that clearly states your will for anyone to enter your premises. My friend lived in NH for a while and he said that it was the hardest place to go door to door. So I am sure that a lot of people in your area sympathize with you. I know that this has fell flat on the board but here goes one more time, JW's are not charlatans. They truly believe that they can help people have happier more fulfilling lives. That is why they still go door to door. They might be wrong, but if you have a little bit of humanist in you, you might be able to be less irritated with them.