(September 4, 2010 at 3:21 pm)Minimalist Wrote: "The Bible clearly teaches that salvation is by faith alone and that believers should work for God because we are already saved, not in order to obtain salvation. Ephesians 2:8-10 says, "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them."
Poor, Theo.
I give you these.....
Quote:John 5:29But if you read the passage I quoted above you will see that doing good is simply what takes place after being justified by faith. Works are the result of salvation, not the means of acquiring it.
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Quote:Romans 2:6, 13It is true that those who do the law will be justified but if you read the complete context you will find that Paul is showing that it is impossible to fully obey the law.
Who will render to each one according to his deeds. ... For not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified.
Quote:2 Corinthians 5:10But for a description of what happens then you must read 1 Corinthians 3:11-15,
For we must all appear before the jugment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
Quote:For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.The purpose of this judgment isn't to find out if we will be saved but to determine what reward we have earned by what we did after salvation.
Quote:2 Corinthians 11:15Here he is describing the fate of false teachers. These people have never be saved and they will receive the punishment that their works deserve.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
Quote:not just to rub your nose in shit......( well, okay...THAT too!) but to show you that your silly bible aims to be all things to all people. Like a very bad politician, it promises everything and delivers nothing.You can prove anything by the Bible if you simply use isolated statements without considering their context. If you want to understand the Bible you need to study all of it.
His invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Romans 1:20 ESV
Romans 1:20 ESV


